[antzcrashing]

The amount of clowning in this thread is astonishing. I will not be able to afford a CSL nor a CS, but the fact that these cars exists and will be on the road for me to experience is a privilege. They will inspire OEM and aftermarket parts for the base G8X and that is a win too.

If you don't like the CSL feel free to complain its a forum, but don't try to tell me that my interest/excitement for it is wrong. And don't tell me it's priced wrong, they will sell for 50-100k over MSRP as soon as they are offered

[Salespunk]

The tougher argument/decision for me is M4CSL vs 997.2 GT3. At $140-160K which to choose? To me speed is irrelevant, it is about feel and emotion. Both are likely to give an incredible driving experience so what differentiates them and why?

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by "RPM33;28498477"

What do you think the 0-60 of the M4 CSL will be, 3.0 seconds?

I certainly hope so but seriously doubt it.

That's M5CS territory

My guess is around 3.2-3.3ish

[Tyga11]

Originally Posted by Salespunk

The tougher argument/decision for me is M4CSL vs 997.2 GT3. At $140-160K which to choose? To me speed is irrelevant, it is about feel and emotion. Both are likely to give an incredible driving experience so what differentiates them and why?

I was on the record earlier in this thread saying a $150K price point is too much...but I've changed my mind.

You're essentially buying the pinnacle. Something very special.

I've never driven a GT3 so I can't answer your question but it's a valid question.

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by Poochie

... an archaic amendment, that was written over 200 years ago, before day modern-day law enforcement and advancement in firepower was envisions but was never revised to match contemporary society, due to politics.

...

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

I certainly hope so but seriously doubt it.

That's M5CS territory

My guess is around 3.2-3.3ish

The M5 CS Nurburgring time was 7:29 and 2WD M4 competition was 7:30. The CSL should be significantly faster than both around the ring.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by "ScullyD;28499832"

The M5 CS Nurburgring time was 7:29 and 2WD M4 competition was 7:30. The CSL should be significantly faster than both around the ring.

Around the ring it's as much about the driver as it is about the car

Simple straight run 0 - 100 is, IMHO, more about the car (although, launch control still challenges some drivers - like me)

[robopp]

New buckets look like Porsche buckets. Me likey!

[bmrm396]

Damn that whale tail is too much for me …. Aye aye aye

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by "bmrm396;28500194"

Damn that whale tail is too much for me …. Aye aye aye

You missed an aye 😂

[N1rve]

Originally Posted by Salespunk

The tougher argument/decision for me is M4CSL vs 997.2 GT3. At $140-160K which to choose? To me speed is irrelevant, it is about feel and emotion. Both are likely to give an incredible driving experience so what differentiates them and why?

GT3. These two are basically in the “driving focus/factory track car” category for me and I would pick GT3 over M4CSL.

991.1 or .2 GT3 is what I would go for though, not the 997. Not too big a fan of the 997s though…

[Because]

Would this be a good car to flip?

Someone has to ask

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by "Because;28500391"

Would this be a good car to flip?

Someone has to ask

I guess it would but how could you drive it if you flip it; there are no wheels on the roof 🤣🤣

[TheStanman]

Originally Posted by Salespunk

The tougher argument/decision for me is M4CSL vs 997.2 GT3. At $140-160K which to choose? To me speed is irrelevant, it is about feel and emotion. Both are likely to give an incredible driving experience so what differentiates them and why?

Have you driven the 997.2 GT3? They won't even be remotely close in terms of driver engagement and emotion. It's nearly impossible for any modern car to compete with a car from that era. Let alone a GT3 with NA, hydraulic steering, lightweight, manual, etc.

IMO the reason is to choose the CSL is it because offers relatively high engagement for a modern car, exclusivity, and modern creature comforts. Plus if you have an affinity for the BMW brand.

[teamtj]

Originally Posted by Erebor

There already are CSL replicas. Check the forum.

I searched the forum, and couldn't find the source to buy the CSL look a like grill.

May be admin removed it ?

[robopp]

Originally Posted by TheStanman

Have you driven the 997.2 GT3? They won't even be remotely close in terms of driver engagement and emotion. It's nearly impossible for any modern car to compete with a car from that era. Let alone a GT3 with NA, hydraulic steering, lightweight, manual, etc.

IMO the reason is to choose the CSL is it because offers relatively high engagement for a modern car, exclusivity, and modern creature comforts. Plus if you have an affinity for the BMW brand.

Maybe CSL will have hydraulic steering!

[adc]

Originally Posted by hellokitty

I would keep the CSL and drive it the way it is from the factory. Nothing further needs to be added. BMW has already done the work for you. That's the premium you are paying for.

Many assumptions here. If we take the GTS as a template, it came with mixed blessings. For a track ready car the OLED tails are irrelevant, and the carbon ceramic brakes a nuisance, yet both add considerable cost ($14k).

Other things - fully adjustable KW suspension, baby aero were good.

But there are things people add to or subtract from the GTS to make it really track ready. Saying that nothing needs to be added is naive, and I’m not trying to insult anybody, it’s just that track duty is much more demanding, and exposing of marketing BS than most people realize.


The new car already has at least one irrelevant change (headlights), but hopefully will compensate with other go-fast goodies. It would be interesting to see if they can get EDC to work in the new car. That is something Porsche did well with the GT3/RS and it makes a difference in making these cars bearable for the street.

[hellokitty]

Originally Posted by adc

Many assumptions here. If we take the GTS as a template, it came with mixed blessings. For a track ready car the OLED tails are irrelevant, and the carbon ceramic brakes a nuisance, yet both add considerable cost ($14k).

Other things - fully adjustable KW suspension, baby aero were good.

But there are things people add to or subtract from the GTS to make it really track ready. Saying that nothing needs to be added is naive, and I’m not trying to insult anybody, it’s just that track duty is much more demanding, and exposing of marketing BS than most people realize.


The new car already has at least one irrelevant change (headlights), but hopefully will compensate with other go-fast goodies. It would be interesting to see if they can get EDC to work in the new car. That is something Porsche did well with the GT3/RS and it makes a difference in making these cars bearable for the street.

All of this CSL testing on the Nurburgring is not enough for you?

What you are referring to is making the car economical to track, which isn't the same as a stock car being ready to take on a few laps without any compromises.

If someone wanted a full time track car, they would get the M4 GT3.

[Jim B]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

I guess it would but how could you drive it if you flip it; there are no wheels on the roof 🤣🤣

[RAUDERRIPPER]

Originally Posted by Salespunk

The tougher argument/decision for me is M4CSL vs 997.2 GT3. At $140-160K which to choose? To me speed is irrelevant, it is about feel and emotion. Both are likely to give an incredible driving experience so what differentiates them and why?

Dealers around here are charging 300k plus for the gt3. Good luck with that MSRP hunt!

[Tyga11]

Originally Posted by RAUDERRIPPER

Dealers around here are charging 300k plus for the gt3. Good luck with that MSRP hunt!

997.2

[six-n-twins53]

Originally Posted by 3RDSECTOR

I won't be fooled twice. As soon as they take that camo off it's going to somehow be uglier than the standard M4.

Hahahaha