[86zccrx]

The smoking tire put up a comparison video of the F80 and G80.

[Burrcold]

I get that they're in California, but one thing you can't put value on is the availability of xDrive on the G80. They mentioned it's great for hooking up, etc. etc. but the real ace is that it's now an all-weather M3 and something that those of us in snowy winter climates can finally look at as an only vehicle.

[Humdizzle]

it makes sense what they are saying.

the car is a better daily, but now because of that is very muted and numb at normal road speeds and at 7/10ths backroad speeds. only shining when you push at 10/10ths. it has more sound deadening and the turbo doesn't come alive until higher up in the rev range.

im glad he raised the point about the in-gear acceleration not being any different. g80c awd 5-60mph time is the same as the last gen m2c and m3. s58 should have ideally been a ttv8 or 3.5-4.0 i6tt to provide more low end torque to move these heavier cars.

[Needsdecaf]

I purposely have been holding off on watching this because I know how it's going to go: They haven't been the hugest fans of the G80. I thought about watching it and said "you know what, it doesn't matter". I personally REALLY wanted to buy an F80 back when they first came out but I never grew to like it. I couldn't get over the super stiff ride, the tight seats and the spiky power delivery. The first time I drove a G80 Comp xD I said "oh, now this is a THING. I could get used to this". And that was literally a back to back drive with my 997 Turbo S.

Come to the realization that yes, the F80 is definitely a better value used. And that I still prefer the looks, and probably, TBH, the DCT vs. the ZF. But for everything else....G80 rules for me and I'm happy to have spent the money. I don't crap on anyone's choice but I am very happy with mine. Why? Because the G80 and F80 are different and I want more out of what the G80 is. And I don't care what it's "supposed to be" to someone else. It's the car that I want.

[86zccrx]

I think a lot of cars fall into this category now. These cars are objectively better in all performance metrics to their predecessors, but by raising the limits you do lose some of the theater when going at more reasonable speeds.
That being said, I love how the G80 can be both a comfortable daily driver and still be a beast on the backroads.

[somer]

zack is just matt's echo chamber

[NickyC]

A better comparison would have been an F80 Comp w/DCT as opposed to a base manual, but obviously still not touching the G80 x-drive in straight line speed. A manual G80 comparison would have made much more sense, sort of a head scratcher the models they decided to compare. Take away AWD and the models are quite similar in baseline acceleration.

With that being said, I think this was an extremely fair comparison overall. Really my only disagreement was concerning their complaints regarding the carbon bucket seats. I just adore everything about those.

[86zccrx]

Originally Posted by NickyC

A better comparison would have been an F80 Comp w/DCT as opposed to a base manual, but obviously still not touching the G80 x-drive in straight line speed. A manual G80 comparison would have made much more sense, sort of a head scratcher the models they decided to compare. Take away AWD and the models are quite similar in baseline acceleration.

With that being said, I think this was an extremely fair comparison overall. Really my only disagreement was concerning their complaints regarding the carbon bucket seats. I just adore everything about those.

With the seats, it's strange. It seems like most if not all owners who have them really like them and most reviewers don't. The only exception I can think of are the Everyday Driver guys who always talk about how great the carbon buckets are in the M2 which are the same.
I figured Zack would have liked them since, to put it kindly, he's more in line with the stature that BMW probably had in mind when designing those seats.

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by 86zccrx

With the seats, it's strange. It seems like most if not all owners who have them really like them and most reviewers don't. The only exception I can think of are the Everyday Driver guys who always talk about how great the carbon buckets are in the M2 which are the same.
I figured Zack would have liked them since, to put it kindly, he's more in line with the stature that BMW probably had in mind when designing those seats.

I know, it’s odd! They were probably the most comfortable seats I’ve ever had and they look bonkers! I don’t get the dislike!

[Humdizzle]

my only beef with the buckets is i dont know why they are powered and heated. its a bit counterintuitive. but i guess i get it... people like the 'idea' of carbon but don't want to go all in with the weight savings if it reduces their luxury

neither the 458 or GT3 had powered or heated buckets. hell the gt3 is a fixed back

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

it makes sense what they are saying.

the car is a better daily, but now because of that is very muted and numb at normal road speeds and at 7/10ths backroad speeds. only shining when you push at 10/10ths. it has more sound deadening and the turbo doesn't come alive until higher up in the rev range.

im glad he raised the point about the in-gear acceleration not being any different. g80c awd 5-60mph time is the same as the last gen m2c and m3. s58 should have ideally been a ttv8 or 3.5-4.0 i6tt to provide more low end torque to move these heavier cars.

I think the CS tune really adds what is missing from the G80 but at the same time think the EPS is way better than the F80 was and the suspension is much better too.
I never liked either my F80 or F82 much other than the exterior looks as I found the car to be too brittle feeling and hated the power band.

[02M3ForMe]

The bottom line is, if the cars were identical except with swapped looks, the F8x wouldn't even be in the discussion.

Matt is completely biased against the G80 because of the looks. The only time he can't suppress his bias is when he's actually driving it. The second he gets out, he contradicts himself and reverts back to old talking points.

The G80 is special from the moment you ask it to do anything aggressively (though, I'd add that simply pressing the red button and starting up a G80 also feels reasonably "special"). I still vividly remember my first turn in a G8x at speed during the March 2021 market launch. Instantly made my '21 M2C feel old and I was in my own G82 several days later despite being pretty sure beforehand that I'd skip this gen. Acceleration, braking, and handling are all practically last-gen supercar level.

[GolfCoyote]

Matt has been out of touch for a few years now, so I take most of what he says with a grain of salt. Zach seems much more reasonable on most reviews.

[Humdizzle]

They go into a little more depth here (starts at 36:12)

Basically they say the new car is better and more dialed in. But not worth twice the value of a decent 50k f80 m3. Because the cars are essentially the same engine with similar in gear acceleration. They knock the g80s screens and praise the f80s simplicity inside and real gouges. They obviously brought up styling.

Zack brings up some good counter points. Stating the m3 is suppose to be dual purpose and on that end its a better daily and a faster track car than the last gen.

[bri1042]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

They go into a little more depth here (starts at 36:12)

Basically they say the new car is better and more dialed in. But not worth twice the value of a decent 50k f80 m3. Because the cars are essentially the same engine with similar in gear acceleration. They knock the g80s screens and praise the f80s simplicity inside and real gouges. They obviously brought up styling.

Zack brings up some good counter points. Stating the m3 is suppose to be dual purpose and on that end its a better daily and a faster track car than the last gen.

Not worth twice as much. Such a hard metric. How much is the car not being 10 years old worth (I forget the actual age of the F80 they drove) and not having a bunch of miles on it?

We all complain about depreciation, of course, but cars are not diamond rings or other items that are functionally identical to new at 10 years old. A lot of the depreciation, most of it, is us using up the car by driving it, and time degrading parts of the car (rubber, etc.).

All the dings and scratches on that F80 absolutely contribute to the low value of it, too.

I totally disagree with them, the G80 IS worth twice as much as an old F80 in that condition.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by bri1042

Not worth twice as much. Such a hard metric. How much is the car not being 10 years old worth (I forget the actual age of the F80 they drove) and not having a bunch of miles on it?

We all complain about depreciation, of course, but cars are not diamond rings or other items that are functionally identical to new at 10 years old. A lot of the depreciation, most of it, is us using up the car by driving it, and time degrading parts of the car (rubber, etc.).

All the dings and scratches on that F80 absolutely contribute to the low value of it, too.

I totally disagree with them, the G80 IS worth twice as much as an old F80 in that condition.

Agreed. Plus, if you look at a 2018 G80 M3 Comp, those are more like 65-70K, and yes, the G80 M3 is certainly worth 2X the car they drove which is closer to 10 years old, and even vs a 6 year old 2018 model, it is easily worth 25-30K more. The S58 is a FAR superior engine to the S55, and the EPS, suspension, quality fit & finish on the G8x is absolutely next level compared to what I considered chintzy F8x cars (I owned both an M3 and M4).

[Needsdecaf]

I bucked up and started watching this. Got through Zach's section and then after about 90 seconds of Matt, I shut it off. No point.

I listen to their podcast regularly and understand that they have been told to come up with "topics" to discuss to drive engagement. To me, that's all this is. Honestly. Such a disjointed and disingenuous comparison. A used, nearly decade old version of a car with a manual transmission vs. a new version of the car with an automatic? And the topic is "better value"? Say what?

ANY used performance car is going to win the depreciation value argument. Every time. Unless you're comparing just apples and kumquats, the value for money is always going to go to the used car.

Just clickbait and an opportunity for Matt to bash the car's looks. Considering he has a pink car with a red interior......I'm not listening to his opinion on looks.

[NickyC]

I don’t really agree with the half price deal as well (didn’t think much of it before the comments above). I think a better comparison would be the MSRP costs of the vehicles when new. When you go by that metric, I’d absolutely say the G80 is a better value and it’s not close. Comparing an essentially brand new model to a 10 year old beat up car with high miles, then claiming it’s the same experience for half the price, is pretty ridiculous in my opinion.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

I bucked up and started watching this. Got through Zach's section and then after about 90 seconds of Matt, I shut it off. No point.

I listen to their podcast regularly and understand that they have been told to come up with "topics" to discuss to drive engagement. To me, that's all this is. Honestly. Such a disjointed and disingenuous comparison. A used, nearly decade old version of a car with a manual transmission vs. a new version of the car with an automatic? And the topic is "better value"? Say what?

ANY used performance car is going to win the depreciation value argument. Every time. Unless you're comparing just apples and kumquats, the value for money is always going to go to the used car.

Just clickbait and an opportunity for Matt to bash the car's looks. Considering he has a pink car with a red interior......I'm not listening to his opinion on looks.

LOL I was going to say the same...he has a Spyder in Frozen berry with a bordeaux red interior...that tells you all you need to know about his 'taste'. He grew up in this area, Greenwich, CT, but while I usually find his stuff objective, for some reason everything here is the opposite.
I don't think I'm in the minority, but the G8x M3/4 actually stand out vs the F8x M3/4 which looked all too close to an M sport 3/4 series, and I like that. Everyone I know who was a doubter, myself included, comments on how aggressive the G8x cars are. I know I was surprised by how prominent the side skirts are. It's just a more special looking package and the driving aspects are all improved IMO substantially. They finally have a package where I don't think a 911 short of a GT is worth the money over it.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

The bottom line is, if the cars were identical except with swapped looks, the F8x wouldn't even be in the discussion.

Matt is completely biased against the G80 because of the looks. The only time he can't suppress his bias is when he's actually driving it. The second he gets out, he contradicts himself and reverts back to old talking points.

The G80 is special from the moment you ask it to do anything aggressively (though, I'd add that simply pressing the red button and starting up a G80 also feels reasonably "special"). I still vividly remember my first turn in a G8x at speed during the March 2021 market launch. Instantly made my '21 M2C feel old and I was in my own G82 several days later despite being pretty sure beforehand that I'd skip this gen. Acceleration, braking, and handling are all practically last-gen supercar level.

As one of us who owned 2x F80s and 1x F87 and 1x G80, I got bored with the G80 fairly quickly. Every day driving, it is too tamed, to insulated and no rawness at all. The F8x cars had that S55 low-end wild side + much less insulation and much more rawness.

The G80 was better handling and much more fun both times I pushed it during my 10 months of ownership. I had no other opportunities to experience it that way...

After the initial (2020) "unsure about the looks" phase, I did not think that either of them looked better than the other. The G80 was a more modern look, I liked it. But toooooo big and long. The F80 is that timeless look, not outdated, but does look outdated next to the G80

[/ / / M3]

I find Matt Farah highly irritating for some reason. He's like a poor man's version of Joe Rogan.

[Needsdecaf]

I listened to most of their discussion regarding this topic this morning on their podcast. It was straight garbage. Matt said "the G80 is way faster and more capable, but less fun". OK......again, you're talking about a manual RWD vs. a Comp xDrive. Drive the manual (they did, and they weren't blown away IIRC). I mean, I get it Matt, it's not your type of car. But if you're comparing apples to apples, a used F80 with a manual vs. a new G80 manual isn't a $50k vs. $100k discussion as they say. It's much closer. Yes, they have a point that you could take an F80 and mod the suspension and rectify it's biggest shortcoming and still be cheaper than a G80. But...then you are getting into the new vs. used, old tech vs. new tech, no warranty vs. warranty, ability to get a loan vs. cash, etc. Its....just not the greatest comparison. I think a better comparison is...used F80 with mods at $50k or new something else you can buy for $50k?