[solstice]

Originally Posted by nick3753

Because I'm not willing (nor do I have) to spend $300k on a wagon! 75-80, sure.

The Panny GT starts in the high 90s. The G81 maybe mid 80s. Many here expressed that they are willing to pay a big premium above that.

My dentist drives a GT Turbo and got $20k off msrp so while the G81 will come with a premium (very limited production) the Panny will likely have a discount.

Again, wagons look good and all but they don’t sell when the rubber hit the dealer lot.

[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by solstice

Question to you who say you are prepared to pay big $$$ to drive the G81, why aren’t you currently driving this?

Well, potentially the G81 could offer 6MT, comes standard with 5 seats and will much less expensive to own and maintain. To get similar performance you need to start with a GTS Turismo that will be possibly double the asking price for a base G81. With options you are in GT3 money.

As a 911 fan, I would only pay top Porsche dollar for a 911. For 'everyday-practical-all-rounders' BMW M is by far the best bang for buck, IMO. An M3 touring that could potentially be offered in a manual transmission is the ultimate daily car for me.

Further, at some point the practical daily car gets too expensive. I would rather purchase The Golf R Estate over The Panamera, if Volkswagen would bring it to The US. The RS6 and Panamera cost of entry miss the mark for me when it comes to how I would use the car, bikes on top, car seats in the back, probably a few bumps and scratches during ownership. The G81 would probably be the sweet-spot IMO and if offered with a manual it would be the enthusiast car to have.

If they do not offer it in a manual then I will feel much better, TBH. The manual version of this in existence, but not available in the US would be hard to stomach.

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by solstice

The Panny GT starts in the high 90s. The G81 maybe mid 80s. Many here expressed that they are willing to bray a big premium above that.

G81 equivalent in the Porsche lineup would be a Panamera GTS for me and it starts at $135K and we know how that number can go up quickly given the options on any Porsche. I would personally have no problem paying up to $100K for a loaded G81. Also, none of the wagons that are offered in the US market today is available with a manual transmission but G81 would potentially have a 6MT option.

[SYT_Shadow]

how do we start a petition to bring it to the US?

[solstice]

Originally Posted by M-Pilot

G81 equivalent in the Porsche lineup would be a Panamera GTS for me and it starts at $135K and we know how that number can go up quickly given the options on any Porsche. I would personally have no problem paying up to $100K for a loaded G81. Also, none of the wagons that are offered in the US market today is available with a manual transmission but G81 would potentially have a 6MT option.

More likely than not you will have a ZF8 and AWD in the G81 vs the Panny’s PDK and optional AWD.

My point is not that you should go and buy the Panny it’s more that if you want a cool fast wagon that is not a crappy Benz( personal opinion) they already exist but hardly no one buy them when it comes down to it.

I fully understand BMW’s hesitation to bring them over.

[Bahn360Photo]

Take my car and my money

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

how do we start a petition to bring it to the US?

I was actually thinking about this as well. Even though the chances are really high that it won't change anything, I still think it's worth the effort. If we were to start new thread for a petition, maybe the mods can help us promote it by bringing it to the front page as it progresses. I'm sure it would catch some attention. Again, I think it's worth a try.

[xlover]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

how do we start a petition to bring it to the US?

This was covered in the other station wagon thread..... by making bmw comfortable that you are willing to spend the extra 250k- 500k per car over the price of the regular M3.

Insiders have said BMW is only producing 1000ish M3 wagons. lets say 100 or 200 get sent to the US... then you only need to cover the 55 million in certification costs (per insiders) for the wagon so they break even.

Really I think it would be easiest if one benevolent buyer offered to cover the full 55 million on behalf of all buyers. Would make it that much easier for bmw to be sure the costs are covered.

[Jason]

Originally Posted by M-Pilot

I was actually thinking about this as well. Even though the chances are really high that it won't change anything, I still think it's worth the effort. If we were to start new thread for a petition, maybe the mods can help us promote it by bringing it to the front page as it progresses. I'm sure it would catch some attention. Again, I think it's worth a try.

Would be happy help promote and get the word out! If anyone undertakes this, please send me the link to the thread/post and we’ll get it featured.

[ppointer]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

Wagon + 6MT

BMW would get a lot more enthusiasts if this were to happen in the US.

No freaking doubt. I would put my deposit at the top of the wait list for this car no matter what, even if it is more than a year away. An MT and RWD would be icing on the cake.

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by solstice

More likely than not you will have a ZF8 and AWD in the G81 vs the Panny's PDK and optional AWD.

My point is not that you should go and buy the Panny it's more that if you want a cool fast wagon that is not a crappy Benz( personal opinion) they already exist but hardly no one buy them when it comes down to it.

I fully understand BMW's hesitation to bring them over.

As I said, when I option a Panamera GTS Sport Turismo, it easily exceeds $150K. So saying "why don't you go buy a Panamera" to someone who is willing to pay a premium for G81 is comparing apples to oranges. Even with a 20-30k discount, Panamera is still out of price range of many potential G81 buyers.

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by solstice

The Panny GT starts in the high 90s. The G81 maybe mid 80s. Many here expressed that they are willing to pay a big premium above that.

My dentist drives a GT Turbo and got $20k off msrp so while the G81 will come with a premium (very limited production) the Panny will likely have a discount.

Again, wagons look good and all but they don't sell when the rubber hit the dealer lot.

Who say it has to be much more expensive than the sedan? My F31 was about 1500$ more than the equivalent F30 it should be this way with the G81.

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by Jason

Would be happy help promote and get the word out! If anyone undertakes this, please send me the link to the thread/post and we’ll get it featured.

I'll be starting a new thread shortly and will share the link here. Thanks for the support Jason

[solstice]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

Who say it has to be much more expensive than the sedan? My F31 was about 1500$ more than the equivalent F30 it should be this way with the G81.

The sedan will come in base configuration. BMW will limit the G81 to 1000 units. It would seem like a reasonable guess that they will be of one main type, competition. Further it is mainly targeted for Europe, which prefer AT and AWD for wagons. Now you have competition ~$7k + AWD ~$3k. So you start $10k over the base sedan price.
Add to that the 1000 unit limitation and you may get 200 over here, dealers will mark them up.

In the end I think mid 80s is a low estimate.

[J-RO]

The way the current BMW design team is going maybe they will add fake wood to the sides and bring back the "Woody".

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by solstice

The sedan will come in base configuration. BMW will limit the G81 to 1000 units. It would seem like a reasonable guess that they will be of one main type, competition. Further it is mainly targeted for Europe, which prefer AT and AWD for wagons. Now you have competition ~$7k + AWD ~$3k. So you start $10k over the base sedan price.
Add to that the 1000 unit limitation and you may get 200 over here, dealers will mark them up.

In the end I think mid 80s is a low estimate.

Then you have to compare it with the G80 competition awd. I've been reading that the G81 will only be available in Awd auto but then it should only be slightly more than the G80 let say G82 pricing.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

Then you have to compare it with the G80 competition awd. I've been reading that the G81 will only be available in Awd auto but then it should only be slightly more than the G80 let say G82 pricing.

Correct before mark ups and I guess any G8X competition AWD will be in the mid 80s.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Went and seen the M3/M4 again but first time seeing the M4.
We also had discussion on the Touring where I got to see more from the initial teaser they showed.

Interesting enough. They openly admit no reaction to the grille drama for the LCI and Touring introduction in 2022. Which means the Grilles are staying.

They are confident to that customers will appreciate the bold new look but also the cars vast quantity of immense capabilities.

We can simply vote with our wallets

I personally will never own one because of the hideous front end alone

[Salespunk]

So much want

[bsmf8x]

Stock stance needs work, I feel like the F8x comps came out the factory stanced better. Like this needs spacers and to be lowered more than the F8x. Still looks good tho.

[ki__]

Originally Posted by Jason

Would be happy help promote and get the word out! If anyone undertakes this, please send me the link to the thread/post and we’ll get it featured.

http://chng.it/7Z7sRrfZdK

[P1]

Everyone in the US: "oh man, like, why can't they sell these in North America? I'd like SO get one"

Also everyone in the US: buys regular M3