[solstice]

Originally Posted by VCP

Agree. If these are not more functional elements than someone show me a wind tunnel data sheet showing no difference to previous designs. If not, these are all individual opinions. I have a few engineer friends at Garching that told me about these steps back in 2014.. What they told me has all come to fruition.

Intriguing, perks/contacts made of being an M4 GTS owner?

[eman4517]

Originally Posted by R N M

They are not on another level - maybe GT cars yes.
The ///M cars are worthy competition to base and S 911s.
My brother has a 991.2 C4 PDK - my F80 M3 comp is faster and inline 6 engine is much better in terms of delivering power and aggressiveness. The 911 handles MUCH better. Tech on M3 is much better in terms of Idrive, M1/M2 settings etc.

The new 992 i have not driven so im sure that car is a monster with new improvements.

I think you're missing the point here. Having owned 6 BMWs (granted not all full M, some just had Dinan, mods,, etc) so I'm more of a BMW fan than a Porsche fan. ///M cars are raw, amazing cars with GT feel, but lack the refinement of a higher end (S and above) Pcar. I've driven my friends///M cars, been invited by BMW, Porsche, Audi to driving experiences at Monticello, etc).

The point is that higher end PCars (S and above) just have a different DNA, pedigree and a higher level of refinement, then say an M4. It all depends on what your goals are.

I've always loved ///M cars and we plan to add one to our family this year, just not sure now which model, but it needs to be both raw and practical , year-round daily driver for NJ weather. M5 comp is too big for us, M8 comp is amazing, just overpriced, too big, too heavy.

Regarding your brothers 991.2 C4, of course an M4 competition would be faster in a straight line than your brothers Pcar. If his is a 991 2 C4, even though a great car, its more of a base 911 T with an extra couple hundred lbs for AWD. At 370 hp and maybe 330 ft lb torque, probably more comparable to a M240ix. Again, its all what your goals are.


We all just have to be patient and play the waiting game to see how this this G8x thing plays out. There is always the X4M/ X3M route and we'll keep the 911 4S (mine has PDK, Sport Chrono, rear steering, 450 hp).

[JetBlackm3]

This ain't it I'm sorry bmw

[Kankles]

The black version will be the only color bought so the grille blends in

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Frosty

...allegedly nest generation M2 will take after these...

Next gen M2 will be popular if in doesn't get the giant grill treatment.

[Bemo]

BMW managed to combine fugly and flatulence into a single hideous package, congratulations!

For the DIYers, can you let us know if it's easier to do plugs by dropping the grills or the old fashioned way by opening the hood?

[Alpine300zhp]

Originally Posted by Colinv6

I don’t think that’s the case for most people on here who own the current gen.

I’ve had 3 F8x cars and they are even now, stunning. When I first walked into BMW and saw a SMB 4CS sitting in the showroom I honestly felt giddy. It was jaw dropping, it’s fate was sealed and almost 2 years later, I still get chills when I see and drive it.

Yep. I too had two of them (F80 comp and early build F82). Loved them both and they still look great.

[Silber]

More color renders:

[svr21]

Originally Posted by Silber

More color renders:

Beautiful!

[eman4517]

Originally Posted by OF Hero

Huh? Who has claimed that? Half the people who are hating in it are claiming they're going with Porsche now, true or not.

+1
but claiming they're going with Porsche now and actually doing it are 2 entirely different things.

I'm sure many of us will and have the means to make the Pcar change (if the G8x is truely that polarizing), however, others, judging maybe not so much. We should all mark this date and come back next year for a "whats in my garage" poll.

Many of us here might have G8x or X3/X4M, some will hold on to their classic, gorgeous F8x's, some will go to Porsche. As for these others, my guess is a G60x...Infiniti (or Civic R)

[iturbo_bmw]

looks better in darker colors cuz they hide the grill. white used to be the best color on M's IMO but it seems like the worst on this m4

[SchwarzerReiter]

This is even uglier than the standard car. How did they manage that?

[xjz]

Originally Posted by SchwarzerReiter

This is even uglier than the standard car. How did they manage that?

The M8 isn't the best looking 8 either. Must be a trend.

[evanescent03]

Showed my wife and she says in a sad voice: "that's a shame........ I don't like it" and walked away. 🤣

A shame indeed.

[RyanBMW]

No no no no no.......

[The Choosey begger]

F82 resale value went up!

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by Frosty

...allegedly nest generation M2 will take after these...

Contrary to popular opinion, I hate the grills on this concept. The shape of the car and basically everything else I like

[eman4517]

Originally Posted by ChrisM2

I guess it depends on what you're looking for. If you absolutely need four seats then you're likely comparing to MB or Audi versus say a new/used 911 but I compared against all three when I leased my M2. My next car won't need four seats (I rarely have any of my three kids in the back and the oldest is getting her license soon) so I'd be comparing the M3/M4 against a Cayman/Boxster GTS 4.0 manual, C8 etc. I'm 90% sure it'll be the Cayman/Boxster GTS 4.0 for my next car.

Congrats! I'm sure you'll make the best decision for your situation. Yes, son out of the house here too so we really don't need 4 "usable"seats either. All great choices (C8 will be a while, going straight to 2021 now due to Covid19 , panel gaps, etc). sorry- this got buried under a boatload of pages, fast!

[cipher5]

That's the ugliest M I've ever seen

[DreaminBMW]

2 questions: who designed this and who approved it!? Seriously, are they trying to damage the brand or trying to get fired?

[Dethsupp0rt]

Originally Posted by Mani59

It's a shame that it does not look anything like the CSL / CSL-R Hommage

Indeed, although once you see the smiley face, you can't unsee it, and it kind of ruins it.

[geddylee]

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