[NKGK20]

Originally Posted by Ras550

In case you missed it, the 3 years old Model 3 P is 2.98 to 60mph! Better luck next time.

But it's still a Tesla though..and it's electric

[shoei]

Originally Posted by Bahn360Photo

And that's ok

Everyone is weird in their own way

Nah it's beyond weird. I don't even know what category it would fall under. Weird is people who think the earth is flat.

I don't think slapping a tune on a G8x and then getting close or surpassing a F9x is much of an accomplishment. It's the equivalent of a participation trophy. You had to tune the car and then compare it to the outgoing model. Not getting a ticker tape parade for that.

Car guys are more excited for the evolution of performance with each Gen and what this benchmark means for the rest of the lineups, especially the M's. Non-car guys or those who need to brag about what they drive are the ones who can't see how asinine their comments are.

[Bahn360Photo]

Originally Posted by shoei

Nah it's beyond weird. I don't even know what category it would fall under. Weird is people who think the earth is flat.

I don't think slapping a tune on a G8x and then getting close or surpassing a F9x is much of an accomplishment. It's the equivalent of a participation trophy. You had to tune the car and then compare it to the outgoing model. Not getting a ticker tape parade for that.

Car guys are more excited for the evolution of performance with each Gen and what this benchmark means for the rest of the lineups, especially the M's. Non-car guys or those who need to brag about what they drive are the ones who can't see how asinine their comments are.

I'm not sure what triggers this write up.
Let me break it down for you.

Mild tune is just like competition and non comp models, same parts, so it's unlocking power

Outgoing model? There is no new one in sight for next year or two so that's a moot point

Comparing how closer m3 got to fastest bmw in production was point.

You ignorant comment and opinion were taken and I nicely said everyone is weird. Having said that essence if forums is for opinions, and one is not better then the other, so again, nicely, buzz off and if you don't like something don't reply, there are hundred other comments you can knit pick on. Have a field day

[jkap27]

Originally Posted by Ras550

In case you missed it, the 3 years old Model 3 P is 2.98 to 60mph! Better luck next time.

This is actually quite embarrassing for the tesla seeing as being able to go 0 to 60 fast a couple times in a row was clearly their main focus. It's such an arbitrary metric what drag race ends at 60mph 🤣 bmw competes with them at their own game with a 3800+ lb 6 cylinder sedan...that is absolute madness. Also not sure if that tesla time you're quoting factors in rollout or not

[akkando]

Originally Posted by jkap27

This is actually quite embarrassing for the tesla seeing as being able to go 0 to 60 fast a couple times in a row was clearly their main focus. It's such an arbitrary metric what drag race ends at 60mph 🤣 bmw competes with them at their own game with a 3800+ lb 6 cylinder sedan...that is absolute madness. Also not sure if that tesla time you're quoting factors in rollout or not

Tesla has nothing to be embarrassed about.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by akkando

Tesla has nothing to be embarrassed about.

Build quality? I know I would be embarrassed if the cars I produced suffered from worse build quality than an 80's K-car.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

Build quality? I know I would be embarrassed if the cars I produced suffered from worse build quality than an 80's K-car.

Well okay the build quality is apparently crap, they should have that figured out by now.

[shoei]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

Build quality? I know I would be embarrassed if the cars I produced suffered from worse build quality than an 80's K-car.

That's my knock with Tesla. The interior quality, the seats, etc. The build quality is severely lacking. Fit finish is crap. Tesla owners have found Home Depot parts in their car. The price tags were never removed hence the Home Depot part. A 2005 Lexus has better interior than a Tesla. No I'm not comparing the tech, just the fit finish interior.

[Gfit]

As I have said before, I am glad all these other cars exist and some people like them better. I leave them to it. The Ms are hard enough to get and expensive already. Could you imagine if everyone and every reviewer loved the car. Shhhh!

[Tall Tom Cruise]

Originally Posted by Ras550

In case you missed it, the 3 years old Model 3 P is 2.98 to 60mph! Better luck next time.

Hilarious how this post proved the point of Tesla owners being smug. Such nerds trying to make an argument over literal 100ths of a second... The only place on Earth where that matters is F1 qualifying.

However, not sure what there is to be smug about with a car that came with a box of tampons.

The thing with Tesla people is their ONLY talking point is being able to beat a (insert super car here) from a stop light to 60mph. And they think everyone cares. But no one does. That should be put in the owners manual to save them some time.

[killhour]

Both Tesla owners not knowing how to shut up about their cars and other people not knowing how to shut up about Tesla owners are equally annoying.

[PVC]

Originally Posted by Tall Tom Cruise

Hilarious how this post proved the point of Tesla owners being smug. Such nerds trying to make an argument over literal 100ths of a second... The only place on Earth where that matters is F1 qualifying.

However, not sure what there is to be smug about with a car that came with a box of tampons.

The thing with Tesla people is their ONLY talking point is being able to beat a (insert super car here) from a stop light to 60mph. And they think everyone cares. But no one does. That should be put in the owners manual to save them some time.

You're on a car forum, in a 0-60 thread with several pages, and you still think no one cares!? From what I've seen, they pull ahead till at least 100+MPH

Yeah, the build quality is questionable and the interior is bland, but they've done something solid with performance. They have produced a cheaper car that launches faster than just about anything else on the road for a fairly low price. They put their foot down, and they're gone. Meanwhile, in your sport M car you have to worry about being in the right mode, having enough octanes in your gas tank, having warm tires, etc to get a decent launch... Can't knock them for that

At the end of the day, we all care about performance or we wouldn't be driving M cars. Tesla is a serious competition, and that's a good thing. it pushes car manufacturers to do more. If it wasn't for them, BMW wouldn't have done much about the traction issues that F80 has, they wouldn't have built an AWD version, and we'd be still talking about a 4 second launch.

Electrification is a trend that makes sense. In another 10-20 years or so, everyone is gonna be disgusted by loud cars, smog, and the manual transmissions that some of you love so dearly. By then your gas car is gonna be a horse in the stable, but it won't be a mode of transportation for your daily commute. They will tax the crap out of gas and gas station will switch over to charging stations. If you're not on the bandwagon by then, they will help you transition.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by PVC

You're on a car forum, in a 0-60 thread with several pages, and you still think no one cares!? From what I've seen, they pull ahead till at least 100+MPH

Yeah, the build quality is questionable and the interior is bland, but they've done something solid with performance. They have produced a cheaper car that launches faster than just about anything else on the road for a fairly low price. They put their foot down, and they're gone. Meanwhile, in your sport M car you have to worry about being in the right mode, having enough octanes in your gas tank, having warm tires, etc to get a decent launch... Can't knock them for that

At the end of the day, we all care about performance or we wouldn't be driving M cars. Tesla is a serious competition, and that's a good thing. it pushes car manufacturers to do more. If it wasn't for them, BMW wouldn't have done much about the traction issues that F80 has, they wouldn't have built an AWD version, and we'd be still talking about a 4 second launch.

Electrification is a trend that makes sense. In another 10-20 years or so, everyone is gonna be disgusted by loud cars, smog, and the manual transmissions that some of you love so dearly. By then your gas car is gonna be a horse in the stable, but it won't be a mode of transportation for your daily commute. They will tax the crap out of gas and gas station will switch over to charging stations. If you're not on the bandwagon by then, they will help you transition.

Doubt that. I'll take that bet.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by PVC

You're on a car forum, in a 0-60 thread with several pages, and you still think no one cares!? From what I've seen, they pull ahead till at least 100+MPH

Yeah, the build quality is questionable and the interior is bland, but they've done something solid with performance. They have produced a cheaper car that launches faster than just about anything else on the road for a fairly low price. They put their foot down, and they're gone. Meanwhile, in your sport M car you have to worry about being in the right mode, having enough octanes in your gas tank, having warm tires, etc to get a decent launch... Can't knock them for that

At the end of the day, we all care about performance or we wouldn't be driving M cars. Tesla is a serious competition, and that's a good thing. it pushes car manufacturers to do more. If it wasn't for them, BMW wouldn't have done much about the traction issues that F80 has, they wouldn't have built an AWD version, and we'd be still talking about a 4 second launch.

Electrification is a trend that makes sense. In another 10-20 years or so, everyone is gonna be disgusted by loud cars, smog, and the manual transmissions that some of you love so dearly. By then your gas car is gonna be a horse in the stable, but it won't be a mode of transportation for your daily commute. They will tax the crap out of gas and gas station will switch over to charging stations. If you're not on the bandwagon by then, they will help you transition.

My fear is that metrics like these (I call them spreadsheet metrics) are taking over what used to matter... the visceral driving experience. Whether we have Tesla to blame (or I guess for some people, thank) for that or if it's just natural progression, one thing is for sure - actual driver engagement has taken a backseat.

It goes along with a broader sense of "instant gratification". You allude to that in your post - "they put their foot down, and they're gone" - no drama, no complications, nothing. In reality, the drama and randomness and unpredictability of things is what makes life interesting, and that pours into the driving experience as well.

My issue isn't with Tesla specifically (outside of the build quality issues), it's with EV's and that sense of "perfection" that they offer. It's just not exciting. I've driven the M3P and the MSP100D, and I've never been so bored by such immense performance. Everything was just too perfect, too smooth, too predictable. I find no excitement in that. There's no build-up, no theater, no sounds of machinery straining, no explosive shifts, nothing. It's like watching an action scene with the volume muted. You can see what's happening is epic, but without the sounds, the thumping of the bass, the sound travelling from speaker to speaker in unison with the action.... it's a very lifeless experience.

I actually agree with you on your last point. As time goes on, those visceral driving experiences will fade into memories of barbarism. Not because car enthusiasts will somehow experience some magical epiphany. But because car enthusiasts as we have historically defined them are a dying breed.

I'm not knocking you or anyone else who enjoys any EV. And honestly, comparing metrics can be an entertaining discussion even if ultimately what matters in the real world is how you feel (can't place a metric on that). And the fear is that these metrics are actually taking over what really matters. Everyone has their preferences and I respect that. I'm simply talking about my preferences and how I see things. At the end of the day, each type of technology is impressive in its own way.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by PVC

You're on a car forum, in a 0-60 thread with several pages, and you still think no one cares!? From what I've seen, they pull ahead till at least 100+MPH

Yeah, the build quality is questionable and the interior is bland, but they've done something solid with performance. They have produced a cheaper car that launches faster than just about anything else on the road for a fairly low price. They put their foot down, and they're gone. Meanwhile, in your sport M car you have to worry about being in the right mode, having enough octanes in your gas tank, having warm tires, etc to get a decent launch... Can't knock them for that

At the end of the day, we all care about performance or we wouldn't be driving M cars. Tesla is a serious competition, and that's a good thing. it pushes car manufacturers to do more. If it wasn't for them, BMW wouldn't have done much about the traction issues that F80 has, they wouldn't have built an AWD version, and we'd be still talking about a 4 second launch.

Electrification is a trend that makes sense. In another 10-20 years or so, everyone is gonna be disgusted by loud cars, smog, and the manual transmissions that some of you love so dearly. By then your gas car is gonna be a horse in the stable, but it won't be a mode of transportation for your daily commute. They will tax the crap out of gas and gas station will switch over to charging stations. If you're not on the bandwagon by then, they will help you transition.

In all seriousness do you actually believe all that BS you just wrote? I mean truly believe it? Electric cars wouldn’t even be a thing if government didn’t interfere with capitalism and force it upon the people. Right now there’s not even close to the necessary infrastructure to support electric vehicles. Do you see this infrastructure increasing at a fast enough rate for your prediction to come true? Of course not. Do you know why? Because no one but a very small percentage of people (less than 20%) that believe in a fantasy theory want it to happen. So you had better pray that governments continue to interfere with capitalism and force it because without that it won’t happen. I’m sure you do.

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Doubt that. I'll take that bet.

I'll take that bet too. To predict that ICE vehicles will be tucked away somewhere in a near useless state in 10 years is just being out of touch with common sense. A complete changeover from gasoline to BEVs, Hydrogen, blah, blah, blah will take far far longer than just ten years. Unless charging times are reduced from hours to a few minutes and ranges are profoundly increased then it will likely never happen at all.
Tell a car buyer that he will have to pull over every 300 miles wait 3 or 4 hours to recharge several times during a trip and observe the response.
Many of those making these unrealistic predictions are also quite ignorant of the fact that there is a very significant percentage of people who absolutely do not want an electric vehicle and will not buy one.

[Bch53211]

The Tesla is a great car and has amazing performance. The new G80/G82 is a great car and has amazing performance. I chose the latter because of the styling and rarity. The model 3 and S are so unbelievably common and somewhat bland to look at. To each his own…

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by speedyman

I'll take that bet too. To predict that ICE vehicles will be tucked away somewhere in a near useless state in 10 years is just being out of touch with common sense. A complete changeover from gasoline to BEVs, Hydrogen, blah, blah, blah will take far far longer than just ten years. Unless charging times are reduced from hours to a few minutes and ranges are profoundly increased then it will likely never happen at all.
Tell a car buyer that he will have to pull over every 300 miles wait 3 or 4 hours to recharge several times during a trip and observe the response.
Many of those making these unrealistic predictions are also quite ignorant of the fact that there is a very significant percentage of people who absolutely do not want an electric vehicle and will not buy one.

You can charge at a Tesla supercharger to 80% battery in 25mins

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by Bch53211

The Tesla is a great car and has amazing performance. The new G80/G82 is a great car and has amazing performance. I chose the latter because of the styling and rarity. The model 3 and S are so unbelievably common and somewhat bland to look at. To each his own…

Yeah... I wish they made a more special version.... like wider fenders etc... but probably don't want to waste resources on a small market when they can't even keep up making higher volume cars...

I mean... roadster should have been out last year..

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by Patton250

In all seriousness do you actually believe all that BS you just wrote? I mean truly believe it? Electric cars wouldn’t even be a thing if government didn’t interfere with capitalism and force it upon the people. Right now there’s not even close to the necessary infrastructure to support electric vehicles. Do you see this infrastructure increasing at a fast enough rate for your prediction to come true? Of course not. Do you know why? Because no one but a very small percentage of people (less than 20%) that believe in a fantasy theory want it to happen. So you had better pray that governments continue to interfere with capitalism and force it because without that it won’t happen. I’m sure you do.

Think again.....

Jaguar will be EV-only from 2025 onward

Bentley will sell EVs entirely by 2030.

Cadillac will go all-electric in 2030

Lotus launches the Emira this summer, which will replace its current sports car lineup. It will be the brand's last combustion vehicle.

BMW will convert Mini to a full-electric brand by 2030. That timeline would see Mini launch its last combustion vehicle in 2025

Volvo plans to go fully electric and move to online sales by 2030

[dimmy]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

You can charge at a Tesla supercharger to 80% battery in 25mins

Not everyone lives in California or by a major area that has them, and even then everyone knows about them now and I’ve heard of cases of people straight up unplugging yours and charging theirs if you’re not by yours. In general the infrastructure is nowhere near ready enough for mass use / road trips outside the major areas. In general owning an electric only vehicle sounds like a PITA unless you have a backup ICE one. Imaging forgetting to charge it one night and not being able to run and get groceries in the morning - gotta wait 4 hours for a 5% charge at home

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by speedyman

I'll take that bet too. To predict that ICE vehicles will be tucked away somewhere in a near useless state in 10 years is just being out of touch with common sense. A complete changeover from gasoline to BEVs, Hydrogen, blah, blah, blah will take far far longer than just ten years. Unless charging times are reduced from hours to a few minutes and ranges are profoundly increased then it will likely never happen at all.
Tell a car buyer that he will have to pull over every 300 miles wait 3 or 4 hours to recharge several times during a trip and observe the response.
Many of those making these unrealistic predictions are also quite ignorant of the fact that there is a very significant percentage of people who absolutely do not want an electric vehicle and will not buy one.

I would say it's the other way around... there is a significant percentage of people who absolutely don't care if it's an ICE vehicle or not...