2021 BMW G82 M4 Competition vs RS5 vs AMG C63S // DRAG & ROLL RACE

Scorp!on · 03-12-2021, 04:57 AM

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Well to be fair, many people don't mind being slower. People choose a manual transmission for more fun while sacrificing speed. I don't think that's any different than choosing a car with better sound even if it's a little slower.

can't argue with that.

What people just don't see in my opinion:

Being in this segment of power and quality it's mostly never a choice based on objective facts whether one car is better or worse than another, it's a taste decision.
You like the V8 sound ? Get the C63s, for sure it sounds like a beast !

these are imo taste decisions, I like the BMW M3/M4 and I like the brand. On all of these cars you usually get what you pay for, if it is Alfa, BMW, Mercedes or Audi (to compare the main competitiors).

Everyone has his advantages in some points. And let's be honest: just a small % of people buying these car will seriously track them...

I for myself think I get the most bang for bucks with BMW. Others might think that of Mercedes or Audi, taste question.
I wanted Manual Transmission so the decision was clear..

M6-Coupe · 03-12-2021, 06:09 AM

Nice win M4 👍

elitex · 03-12-2021, 06:29 AM

Current C63s coupe is pretty dam awesome IMO, I like it much better than with my old F80 M3 comp or F82 Comp. It perfectly balances out multiple roles for a car in this segment. Not to mention that V8.... My X5M V8 seems a bit boring compared to it.....

Now, 4 Cyl C63??? Yuck, Puke, hell no. I'd rather just go full electric.

New M4 is pretty awesome as I suspected it all along. Can't believe it's hitting 3.6-3.7 with rwd... They did something magical with traction and electronics.

TheBingoBalls · 03-12-2021, 08:01 AM

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The current C63 doesn't have a hybrid system. The up coming one will and it will definitely have significantly more TQ than the G80.

I think you're getting ahead of yourself. Theoretically a hybrid powertrain can output more but just because it can, doesn't mean that it will. The RS5, M3/M4 and C63 will all have specs within each other to make it competitive.

Apples/Apples, the M177 V8 in the W205 C63 with 2 more cylinders and higher displacement should be able to output more than the S55 but at the end, what did Mercedes output with the M177? 469HP and 470 lb-ft vs. S55's 425HP and 406 lb-ft TQ. Higher, but not significantly higher.

I don't believe I'm getting ahead of myself at all, and here's why. The M139 motor already generates nearly 400 TQ in it's current form. With more refinements by the time it's placed in the C63 it will be generating over 400 TQ. The hybrid system will mostly definitely be dual motor. Each one generating no less than 100 TQ. With that being said, there is no way the team at AMG will place a dual motor system in the C63 that would have less that 200 TQ combined. This should be an easy concept to grasp considering how TQ rich electric motors are. Even the tiny mild hybrid battery on new BMWs generates 60 TQ. Since AMG is putting a full hybrid system on the C63 it will no doubt demolish everyone in TQ figures until the competition makes the switch to hybrid power as well.

Again, theoretically we all know what the motor can do but that doesn't mean Mercedes is going to have that output. At the end of the day, the RS5, M3/M4 and C63 all operate under the same price per performance ratio. Mercedes isn't going to charge the +/- $70k and offer significantly more performance when they can put a premium and charge more on a S or Black Series-type AMG.

That's not to say the C63 with the hybrid setup won't have higher output than the M3/M4 and RS5, but it's wishful thinking for it to have significantly more output just because we know what the motor is capable of.

Ziosella · 03-12-2021, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by buckybadger

Nobody talks about steering feel and driving dynamics anymore.

It's all about 0-60 for these journalists.

Oh yes. And let's think about how stupid and useless these drag races are in the Tesla era. 0-60? A 50k$ EV car is 4 seconds, a $120k car is 2.5s...In my opinion we should talk ONLY about driving dynamics, driving sensations, emotions of a gasoline engine. ONLY.

PeregrineFalcon · 03-12-2021, 08:30 AM

Something is very strange with this test?!

Since the BMW M4 is already making 11,6 sec 1/4 mile, that is considerably faster time than any stock RS5 did (most figures are in the 12 sec range).
But if we factor in the winter tires and the dirty surface that outcome is relatively possible from the dig.
What is almost certainly not possible is the fact that the RS5 was faster than the C63AMG in the roll race!?

In any other race I have seen the difference is brutal in Merc's favor!
And since we know the new BMW M4 is a monster (the advantage it has compared to the Merc is about right), I think something is going on with that RS5?

But maybe I'm wrong, maybe the C63AMG is broken?

Russ103 · 03-12-2021, 09:33 AM

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Upcoming AMG C63 will be 4 cylinder hybrid same for C43 as well.

Please tell me that's a joke...

AMG cars are the muscle cars of Germany, V8's are a must!

EXE46 · 03-12-2021, 09:43 AM

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Please tell me that's a joke...

AMG cars are the muscle cars of Germany, V8's are a must!

Nope, just do a quick google search. ICE are being slowly phased out everywhere. We are moving into the dark ages. Next gen M3 will follow this same pattern until it becomes fully Electric.

GranitM5 · 03-12-2021, 09:45 AM

Audi will never outperform M's or AMG's. You don't buy an Audi because it's faster than M's or AMG's. You buy it because you like it and it suits your style. Rs5 cant compete with M4 or C63s. RS6 is no match for M5 or E63s. It would have been wiser for them to do a few different runs not just one. Even Carwow manages to do a few runs until they get it right.

As far as roll racing, gearing and starting speed matters a lot. Can't just leave it in Auto and mash the gas. One car will drop down faster than the other. 0-60, 1/4 mile, and 60-130 tests show the only true results.

Ghostriderf80 · 03-12-2021, 09:52 AM

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Enjoy it Audi, M-Xdrive is coming to get you...

Maybe just maybe they will change the grill to one that is more attractive on the M3 w xDrive.

Or someone needs to make a body kit. PLEASE IND distribution, PLEASE DO SOMETHING

bm323 · 03-12-2021, 09:58 AM

Plenty fanbois ... it is what it is ... the G8X will not "win" all the time.

"James from Throttle House here. The cars were all on Pilot Alpins. Temps during this race were around -2 celsius so it actually massively helped with traction.

The full review from a few days ago was filmed in the positive temperatures on PS4Ss in the afternoon of the same day. We did everything we did to make sure the drag race was fair, and that the handling critiques on track could be accurate. Wasn't cheap, but we don't wanna do wrong by you guys. "

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=339

Tacoma · 03-12-2021, 10:01 AM

Kudos to TH for putting this together so soon given they probably only had the M4 for a limited period of time.

The launch control of the RS5 is amazing. It'll be very interesting to see how the AWD version of G8x will do against it. I suspect the launch will be close and then the G8x will pull away midway through the race for an easy win.

cbertels · 03-12-2021, 12:52 PM

Can't wait to score that RS5 sport back. Looks great compared to its rivals and for non-track duty will be practically just as quick.

3RDSECTOR · 03-12-2021, 01:06 PM

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The current C63 doesn't have a hybrid system. The up coming one will and it will definitely have significantly more TQ than the G80.

I think you're getting ahead of yourself. Theoretically a hybrid powertrain can output more but just because it can, doesn't mean that it will. The RS5, M3/M4 and C63 will all have specs within each other to make it competitive.

Apples/Apples, the M177 V8 in the W205 C63 with 2 more cylinders and higher displacement should be able to output more than the S55 but at the end, what did Mercedes output with the M177? 469HP and 470 lb-ft vs. S55's 425HP and 406 lb-ft TQ. Higher, but not significantly higher.

I don't believe I'm getting ahead of myself at all, and here's why. The M139 motor already generates nearly 400 TQ in it's current form. With more refinements by the time it's placed in the C63 it will be generating over 400 TQ. The hybrid system will mostly definitely be dual motor. Each one generating no less than 100 TQ. With that being said, there is no way the team at AMG will place a dual motor system in the C63 that would have less that 200 TQ combined. This should be an easy concept to grasp considering how TQ rich electric motors are. Even the tiny mild hybrid battery on new BMWs generates 60 TQ. Since AMG is putting a full hybrid system on the C63 it will no doubt demolish everyone in TQ figures until the competition makes the switch to hybrid power as well.

Again, theoretically we all know what the motor can do but that doesn't mean Mercedes is going to have that output. At the end of the day, the RS5, M3/M4 and C63 all operate under the same price per performance ratio. Mercedes isn't going to charge the +/- $70k and offer significantly more performance when they can put a premium and charge more on a S or Black Series-type AMG.

That's not to say the C63 with the hybrid setup won't have higher output than the M3/M4 and RS5, but it's wishful thinking for it to have significantly more output just because we know what the motor is capable of.

I don't understand how you don't understand that the switch to a hybrid drivetrain is a paradigm shift. The C63 will be a leap frog in terms of performance per dollar. The release of new models are staggered, so the other manufacturers will need to respond to Mercedes being the performance benchmark. Mercedes are not going to neuter the C63 to match cars that are still utilizing older technologies. The S variants or Black Series variants are simply going to use more electric power to differentiate themselves. Also, let's not forget Mitsubishi was getting 440 HP out of a 2.0L back in 2009. This is the same Mitsubishi that's only racing experience was WRC. Mercedes on the other hand has spend the past 10+ years perfecting small liter high output motors in the pinnacle of motorsport (while dominating mind you). The current A45 has 421 HP. Do you really not believe Mercedes won't turn the wick up? It would be senseless not to. It's called progress.

Jcali86 · 03-12-2021, 01:49 PM

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The current C63 doesn't have a hybrid system. The up coming one will and it will definitely have significantly more TQ than the G80.

I think you're getting ahead of yourself. Theoretically a hybrid powertrain can output more but just because it can, doesn't mean that it will. The RS5, M3/M4 and C63 will all have specs within each other to make it competitive.

Apples/Apples, the M177 V8 in the W205 C63 with 2 more cylinders and higher displacement should be able to output more than the S55 but at the end, what did Mercedes output with the M177? 469HP and 470 lb-ft vs. S55's 425HP and 406 lb-ft TQ. Higher, but not significantly higher.

I don't believe I'm getting ahead of myself at all, and here's why. The M139 motor already generates nearly 400 TQ in it's current form. With more refinements by the time it's placed in the C63 it will be generating over 400 TQ. The hybrid system will mostly definitely be dual motor. Each one generating no less than 100 TQ. With that being said, there is no way the team at AMG will place a dual motor system in the C63 that would have less that 200 TQ combined. This should be an easy concept to grasp considering how TQ rich electric motors are. Even the tiny mild hybrid battery on new BMWs generates 60 TQ. Since AMG is putting a full hybrid system on the C63 it will no doubt demolish everyone in TQ figures until the competition makes the switch to hybrid power as well.

Again, theoretically we all know what the motor can do but that doesn't mean Mercedes is going to have that output. At the end of the day, the RS5, M3/M4 and C63 all operate under the same price per performance ratio. Mercedes isn't going to charge the +/- $70k and offer significantly more performance when they can put a premium and charge more on a S or Black Series-type AMG.

That's not to say the C63 with the hybrid setup won't have higher output than the M3/M4 and RS5, but it's wishful thinking for it to have significantly more output just because we know what the motor is capable of.

I don't understand how you don't understand that the switch to a hybrid drivetrain is a paradigm shift. The C63 will be a leap frog in terms of performance per dollar. The release of new models are staggered, so the other manufacturers will need to respond to Mercedes being the performance benchmark. Mercedes are not going to neuter the C63 to match cars that are still utilizing older technologies. The S variants or Black Series variants are simply going to use more electric power to differentiate themselves. Also, let's not forget Mitsubishi was getting 440 HP out of a 2.0L back in 2009. This is the same Mitsubishi that's only racing experience was WRC. Mercedes on the other hand has spend the past 10+ years perfecting small liter high output motors in the pinnacle of motorsport (while dominating mind you). The current A45 has 421 HP. Do you really not believe Mercedes won't turn the wick up? It would be senseless not to. It's called progress.

It's going to be close to 4500lbs

BMW always undersell the figures and the 3.7 to 60 shows it's clearly high but we'll be conservative

The M3 at let's say 3900lbs and 520bhp
The amg at let's say 4500lbs and 600bhp

They both come out at 0.133 hp/lb

So similar performance, but you get an awful sounding 2 liter 4 pot and a lot more physical weight in corners etc

No thanks.

mcjohnsonsg · 03-12-2021, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by buckybadger

Nobody talks about steering feel and driving dynamics anymore.

It's all about 0-60 for these journalists.

Really? Most of the videos I've watched talked about steering feel and driving dynamics.

3RDSECTOR · 03-12-2021, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

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Originally Posted by 3RDSECTOR

The current C63 doesn't have a hybrid system. The up coming one will and it will definitely have significantly more TQ than the G80.

I think you're getting ahead of yourself. Theoretically a hybrid powertrain can output more but just because it can, doesn't mean that it will. The RS5, M3/M4 and C63 will all have specs within each other to make it competitive.

Apples/Apples, the M177 V8 in the W205 C63 with 2 more cylinders and higher displacement should be able to output more than the S55 but at the end, what did Mercedes output with the M177? 469HP and 470 lb-ft vs. S55's 425HP and 406 lb-ft TQ. Higher, but not significantly higher.

I don't believe I'm getting ahead of myself at all, and here's why. The M139 motor already generates nearly 400 TQ in it's current form. With more refinements by the time it's placed in the C63 it will be generating over 400 TQ. The hybrid system will mostly definitely be dual motor. Each one generating no less than 100 TQ. With that being said, there is no way the team at AMG will place a dual motor system in the C63 that would have less that 200 TQ combined. This should be an easy concept to grasp considering how TQ rich electric motors are. Even the tiny mild hybrid battery on new BMWs generates 60 TQ. Since AMG is putting a full hybrid system on the C63 it will no doubt demolish everyone in TQ figures until the competition makes the switch to hybrid power as well.

Again, theoretically we all know what the motor can do but that doesn't mean Mercedes is going to have that output. At the end of the day, the RS5, M3/M4 and C63 all operate under the same price per performance ratio. Mercedes isn't going to charge the +/- $70k and offer significantly more performance when they can put a premium and charge more on a S or Black Series-type AMG.

That's not to say the C63 with the hybrid setup won't have higher output than the M3/M4 and RS5, but it's wishful thinking for it to have significantly more output just because we know what the motor is capable of.

I don't understand how you don't understand that the switch to a hybrid drivetrain is a paradigm shift. The C63 will be a leap frog in terms of performance per dollar. The release of new models are staggered, so the other manufacturers will need to respond to Mercedes being the performance benchmark. Mercedes are not going to neuter the C63 to match cars that are still utilizing older technologies. The S variants or Black Series variants are simply going to use more electric power to differentiate themselves. Also, let's not forget Mitsubishi was getting 440 HP out of a 2.0L back in 2009. This is the same Mitsubishi that's only racing experience was WRC. Mercedes on the other hand has spend the past 10+ years perfecting small liter high output motors in the pinnacle of motorsport (while dominating mind you). The current A45 has 421 HP. Do you really not believe Mercedes won't turn the wick up? It would be senseless not to. It's called progress.

It's going to be close to 4500lbs

BMW always undersell the figures and the 3.7 to 60 shows it's clearly high but we'll be conservative

The M3 at let's say 3900lbs and 520bhp
The amg at let's say 4500lbs and 600bhp

They both come out at 0.133 hp/lb

So similar performance, but you get an awful sounding 2 liter 4 pot and a lot more physical weight in corners etc

No thanks.

You are forgetting the massive TQ advantage. Not to mention electric motors generate TQ instantly. I swear I've never seen people on a forum so dedicated to being wrong.

PeregrineFalcon · 03-12-2021, 04:08 PM

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Plenty fanbois ... it is what it is ... the G8X will not "win" all the time.

"James from Throttle House here. The cars were all on Pilot Alpins. Temps during this race were around -2 celsius so it actually massively helped with traction.

The full review from a few days ago was filmed in the positive temperatures on PS4Ss in the afternoon of the same day. We did everything we did to make sure the drag race was fair, and that the handling critiques on track could be accurate. Wasn't cheap, but we don't wanna do wrong by you guys. "

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=339

Most of us have already read that part about tires, but that alone can't explain the RS5 superiority over the C63AMG, especially in the rolling race!

Do you have an explanation, or are we all fanboys because none of us have ever seen stock RS5 defeating the C63AMG from the roll?

M3AWD · 03-12-2021, 06:06 PM

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Audi will never outperform M's or AMG's. You don't buy an Audi because it's faster than M's or AMG's. You buy it because you like it and it suits your style. Rs5 cant compete with M4 or C63s. RS6 is no match for M5 or E63s. It would have been wiser for them to do a few different runs not just one. Even Carwow manages to do a few runs until they get it right.

As far as roll racing, gearing and starting speed matters a lot. Can't just leave it in Auto and mash the gas. One car will drop down faster than the other. 0-60, 1/4 mile, and 60-130 tests show the only true results.

I bet they did a few runs. That's implied when they said they tried to launch the C63s multiple times with the same results.

Do you really think they would go to the strip, run 1 race, assume it was accurate, and call it a day?

DenHaag3er · 03-12-2021, 06:10 PM

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Do people seriously buy cars based on 0-60 and youtube drag race results?

Partly yes. If you just want a car you'll get something a quarter the price. If you want something fast then 0-60 is a good measure of its general shove and speed.
Rarely are cars rockets in a straight line and crap in the corners now so its not one or the other.

EXE46 · 03-12-2021, 06:19 PM

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Most of us have already read that part about tires, but that alone can't explain the RS5 superiority over the C63AMG, especially in the rolling race!

Do you have an explanation, or are we all fanboys because none of us have ever seen stock RS5 defeating the C63AMG from the roll?

You do have a strong argument, I expect it to be highly capable. However, even if it could accelerate as fast as light travels I would have zero interest in one.

GranitM5 · 03-12-2021, 06:44 PM

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Audi will never outperform M's or AMG's. You don't buy an Audi because it's faster than M's or AMG's. You buy it because you like it and it suits your style. Rs5 cant compete with M4 or C63s. RS6 is no match for M5 or E63s. It would have been wiser for them to do a few different runs not just one. Even Carwow manages to do a few runs until they get it right.

As far as roll racing, gearing and starting speed matters a lot. Can't just leave it in Auto and mash the gas. One car will drop down faster than the other. 0-60, 1/4 mile, and 60-130 tests show the only true results.

I bet they did a few runs. That's implied when they said they tried to launch the C63s multiple times with the same results.

Do you really think they would go to the strip, run 1 race, assume it was accurate, and call it a day?

Did you watch the other posted video?

The RS5 jumped on the C63 off the start and the C63 reeled him in real quick. No way a rs5 is beating the C63 in a roll

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PeregrineFalcon Private First Class 311 Rep 161 Posts Drives: vw cc Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Serbia iTrader: (0)	Something is very strange with this test?! Since the BMW M4 is already making 11,6 sec 1/4 mile, that is considerably faster time than any stock RS5 did (most figures are in the 12 sec range). But if we factor in the winter tires and the dirty surface that outcome is relatively possible from the dig. What is almost certainly not possible is the fact that the RS5 was faster than the C63AMG in the roll race!? In any other race I have seen the difference is brutal in Merc's favor! And since we know the new BMW M4 is a monster (the advantage it has compared to the Merc is about right), I think something is going on with that RS5? But maybe I'm wrong, maybe the C63AMG is broken?
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