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      03-11-2021, 10:41 AM   #309
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AM&S SA Road and Track test.

He tests and talks about many point of interests, such as brake by wire, 8AT, 10-level MDM, lag and boost threshold, sharpness of handling etc. Overall a positive review. Subtitles available.

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Will the g80 do very well on the ring. Sure, will the m3 slay corners on a tighter, shorter circuit or sweeping Alpine roads across Europe, parts of Australia, new Zealand etc. No, buy an alpine or cayman instead.
You can say this about this about basically all M3s going back to the e46
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The front end really grew on me. I like it naked or with the euro plate, but with the US license plate....not so much.

Oh and the throttle house reviewers are so blah and boring to me
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Lol, what are your credentials? Are you a pro racer? Funny how professionals who race cars for a living don't share your delusion.
Triggered much?

How many M's have you owned? How many other cars to compare them with? Every generation cars get heavier and more insulated. This is driven by safety requirements, market preferences and manufacturers desire to broaden appeal/market reach. Every other manufacturer goes through the same process with their performance vehicles including Porsche, Ferrari, etc. Better numbers, less engagement.

The M2 has now taken the place of the earlier M3's in BMW's lineup as a performance car with fewer compromises for daily use. Although the G8x is putting up impressive numbers, it is not as engaging to drive. I say this having owned a E36, E46, E90, F82, F10 and F90 iterations.

The M3/4's mission has changed. It is now a performance car for people with families and responsibilities. No longer is it a toy with a ton of compromises in the name of performance. Nothing wrong with that either.
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This is the reality that some cannot accept. The M3 is now the M5 of old days, and its a different demo. When I was younger, while I luved the E39 M5, I desired an M3, i wanted something small and fun and thats what an M3 was and never would consider a car the M5 size.

Now, its a big luxury cruiser with lots and lots of power, nothing wrong with that statement, its just not an M3.

Im at a diff point of life and I see this G80 as a big comfy powerful car and have to decide if its worth it. The things that some or perhaps many didnt like about the F80, i luved. I luved the raw feel, i luved dct and the way it felt special down low, its supposed to be a sports saloon and it should not be so comfy like a zf8.

The biggest statement from CH was that the engine and transmission didnt feel M special, which ofcourse is true but some cannot accept. Stating the powertrain feels like a more powerful m340i is a massive fail as to me, since i dont track it, the M is all about the powertrain, and it no longer is bespoke but the M tax is higher than ever.
I am right there with you. Thinking now that instead of an M3, I may just do a 997 GT3. A little bit more money, but more of an event to drive and really engaging.
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      03-11-2021, 11:29 AM   #315
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AM&S SA Road and Track test.

He talks about many point of interests, such as brake by wire, 8AT, lag and boost threshold, sharpness of handling etc. Overall a positive review. Subtitles available.

Best video seen so far.
The M traction mode is what I was waiting since long time, something between "all off" and MDM. Great job Bmw.
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      03-11-2021, 11:31 AM   #316
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Appreciate your detailed thoughts, I had a few responses I'll break out from my perspective.


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...For me, they didn't have to go radical in their design language to gain the AMG and RS customers and retain current M customers - They simply had to make a classy but angry M car - E90 and F80 style. Everything would've then fallen into place for them when the C63 effectively dies.

All the lines on the car that disappear and the lack of a bonnet bulge... I don't understand what they were thinking. They didn't have to be so dangerous in their design language. Just a M car like they've always done, which their customers like. The same customers that buy every generation of M car. Sadly for me, the messy lines on the car and lack of a DCT; I will look elsewhere for my F80 replacement when the time comes, and so will others.
I disagree, most cars from a distance are hard to tell apart nowadays, as every manufacturer, like with most things, figured out a repeatable generic formula and stuck to it. Yes, minor differences to distinguish them are obvious to you and I, but to most people a Lexus, Audi or BMW don't look too different. The M3/4 are extremely different to anything on the road! It's the last fully ICE M3/4 ever and they fuc*ing went for it and I love it! All subjective of course, but I think once people are able to accept the change from the generic norm and see it for a stand out aggressive car that it is, they'll love it as they're not expecting a softly lined, round and smooth car.

I often mistake the F8x generation for an m sport, Mercedes are impossible to tell apart and the same goes for Audis and their S line and RS line, though even they got more aggressive with the RS6/7 (well aggressive for Audi!). There's NO mistaking the M3/4 for a m340i this time. Yeah it may go against a few current customers but it's brought in new people like me.


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It's not worthy of the £80k price tag that it demands when to me, it looks like a cost cutting exercise. ZF, No matter which way you look at it, has taken the main differentiating factor of an M car and a 3 series away. Yeah the interior is lovely, but the steering wheel - 320d Ebay carbon wrap edition? no thank you. Lack of carbon fiber engine bracing, gone. Big brakes at the rear, don't be silly.
Why does it not having a DCT or a carbon brace in an area literally no one sees make it not worth $80k? The interior is literally leagues ahead of the F8X; it probably has the worst interior of its class for the generation. Anyone that isn't an enthusiast, which is a lot of M customers, found the DCT terrible anywhere other than the track or a spirited drive, which is about 1% of the cars life for most owners, so it makes sense they would make it more drivable for the majority of the cars use and most of the people buying it. I've watched the brake test from carwow and it looked more than adequate to me, ok it's not as aesthetically pleasing but I need to them work, not look good. The car felt very much like its worth when I sat in it, I still need to drive it but the reviews are telling me it also is very much worth the price. If you want some of the elements you're talking about there's always a Porsche for $30k more, which literally negates your argument as the M3/4 would be $100k starting if it was similar.

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From what I understand, the F80 gen sold better than the last generations (happy to be corrected) this screams that people loved it's angry personality (Why I have one) and it's angry but classy looks. This G80 doesn't offer either and that's a shame for me. (All in my opinion of course)
So if, and more likely when, the G80 sells more it's going to scream that people don't want what the F80 offered? I get it's your opinion though and it's what you want from a car so I understand where you're coming from

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Anyone that's considering buying a G80, you might as well wait a year as the LCI won't be far off...

Really... They just needed to update the F80 again and they'd have been on to a winner.
The LCI might be updating the dash to those awful leaks we've seen that look like the current Mercedes versions; a deal breaker for me, no way I'm risking that; they look like iPads stuck in the dash and Mercedes are even moving back to a more traditional look.

I'm so so glad they didn't just update the F80, but I get why you, and a lot of other owners, are not.
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Lol, what are your credentials? Are you a pro racer? Funny how professionals who race cars for a living don't share your delusion.
Triggered much?

How many M's have you owned? How many other cars to compare them with? Every generation cars get heavier and more insulated. This is driven by safety requirements, market preferences and manufacturers desire to broaden appeal/market reach. Every other manufacturer goes through the same process with their performance vehicles including Porsche, Ferrari, etc. Better numbers, less engagement.

The M2 has now taken the place of the earlier M3's in BMW's lineup as a performance car with fewer compromises for daily use. Although the G8x is putting up impressive numbers, it is not as engaging to drive. I say this having owned a E36, E46, E90, F82, F10 and F90 iterations.

The M3/4's mission has changed. It is now a performance car for people with families and responsibilities. No longer is it a toy with a ton of compromises in the name of performance. Nothing wrong with that either.
M3 since the E36 was always a compromise my first was an E36 followed by 2 E46's. I never liked the E90 or F80 cars. F80 isnt highly regarded to me since I am an E46 diehard. No need to rehash history to me.

There is no other direct competitor to the G80 that's better period and Porsche is not a direct competitor. There was always better cars for superior driving engagement than virtually all M cars. Unless to you the F80 being the first turbo M3 is what you call a pure driving experience.
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AM&S SA Road and Track test.

He tests and talks about many point of interests, such as brake by wire, 8AT, 10-level MDM, lag and boost threshold, sharpness of handling etc. Overall a positive review. Subtitles available.

I prefer German-language reviews TBH lol.
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AM&S SA Road and Track test.

He tests and talks about many point of interests, such as brake by wire, 8AT, 10-level MDM, lag and boost threshold, sharpness of handling etc. Overall a positive review. Subtitles available.

Wow in a world of hack-job influencer reviews and overproduced review films, this was very refreshing!
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Wow in a world of hack-job influencer reviews and overproduced review films, this was very refreshing!
The guy can drive and he can describe the driving experience in real time. That's all we are looking for right?

Anyone heard from Schmee?
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That german review, he mentions a slight delay when shifting at redline that Harris mentioned (I don't think he's actually hitting the rev limiter as in the translation). Also not as fast as "PDK"
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All in all the reviews are as expected. Generally very positive with only 2 points that are critisized by multiple reviews : the look of the car and the switch to a automatic gearbox which is better for everyday driving but makes the car a bit too civilized for some. As i will only use the car for everyday driving i am confident that i will be very very happy with it.

For me the most important question that has been answered is the traction of the RWD competition version. Many including myself have doubted whether to take the RWD or wait for the AWD version. After these reviews i am happy i did not wait and took the RWD version. No real traction problems. Chris Harris even thought for the first couple of days that he was driving the AWD version already...

Then the subjective looks criticism : in the 2nd half 1990's Mercedes Benz switched for the E-class from rectangular to round headlights. When i first saw the models with the new round headlights i really found the new cars totally hideous. A couple of years later i really liked them and i actually bought one....

I think the grille of the G80/82 is exactly the same story. When i first saw it i did also not like it. Now i love it... As i am very interested in this model i ofcourse saw the new grille much more than someone who only saw it once or twice in the press. I am really predicting that in a year from today the general consensus about the hideousness of the grille will have shifted dramatically....
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The guy can drive and he can describe the driving experience in real time. That's all we are looking for right?

Anyone heard from Schmee?
No please. Everyone but him.
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No please. Everyone but him.
"hiiii guyyyysss it's Schmeeeeee."
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AM&S SA Road and Track test.

He tests and talks about many point of interests, such as brake by wire, 8AT, 10-level MDM, lag and boost threshold, sharpness of handling etc. Overall a positive review. Subtitles available.

Wow in a world of hack-job influencer reviews and overproduced review films, this was very refreshing!
Fully agree!

Definitely the best one for me so far... simple and pretty straight forward. Focusing on what car reviews are for, the CAR!
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Might be a repost

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I genuinely think the AWD will be sub 3.4. Check out this comparison between the M4 and the RS5:



The RS5 absolutely crushes the M4 from a dig, which means that advertised 3.9 time is complete rubbish (and Carwow did an instrumented test where it did 3.9 in the soaking wet). Add to that my anecdotal experience of test driving one yesterday, where the entirety of the experience was "meh" EXCEPT for the launch, which took me by surprise and actually knocked the wind out of me. That RS5 is in the 3.5-3.6 range for sure.

However, the M4 beats it from a roll, no contest. So if the xDrive hooks up the same as the Quattro system (big if), there's absolutely no way this thing doesn't pull close to M5's advertised numbers in the 0-60. Completely insane.

Edit: C&D tested the RS5 at 3.5 to 60. I'm betting the M4 xDrive will do it in 3.3. Seriously.
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AM&S SA Road and Track test.

He tests and talks about many point of interests, such as brake by wire, 8AT, 10-level MDM, lag and boost threshold, sharpness of handling etc. Overall a positive review. Subtitles available.

The amount of fun he’s having says a lot.
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That 124.7 mph trap speed is pretty impressive. The C8 Corvette does about 122 mph.
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