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Even stripper 992s won't be under $100k for 3 years. You'll find 991.2s in your range. I just wish I could get in and out of them without the gymnastics.
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06-09-2020, 12:39 PM | #24 |
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Wait, so does this article claim that you cannot get a 6 speed Comp package car? They will be auto and X-Drive only? I honestly don't believe that. Doesn't make sense financially. I would assume they are going to use the Porsche model and release not just variations of the car over time, but transmission choices as well, like the 992 did.
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Something like this: M3/M4 RWD 6MT M3/M4 RWD 8AT M3/M4 AWD 8AT Competition With a fourth AWD 8AT non-Competition model perhaps having a 50/50 shot at coming to market at some point. Quote:
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The comp model now has auto baked in whereas before you were paying for 2 separate packages in ZCP + DCT. But now there's the cost of AWD. I think whoever said $10k extra for the comp model is probably right.
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06-10-2020, 10:53 AM | #30 |
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Off the line the AWD will obviously be faster
Rolling, with only 30hp delta, a heavier weight and a higher drivetrain loss from the AWD and auto transmission, I will say its a wash... The Pure with 6MT and 480hp is the car to go for |
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If it’s $10k difference that will be a bargain for what you get. I’m not married to a specific transmission. My E90 M3 was DCT and I love it, my F80 is 6 MT and I would not want it any other way. I’m sure I’ll enjoy the AT for it’s different set of merits. It’s no longer the 20th century when AT by default ruined any car... Last edited by solstice; 06-10-2020 at 11:22 AM.. |
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Oh man, that M3 Pure. RWD, 6mt, cloth seats (hurricane seats anyone?)...exactly what I'd want.
Would also love light 18in wheels, a special color like birch green, simple adaptive suspension, carbon roof...and that's basically it. I'm sure a manual handbrake is too much to ask for. I'd even opt for non-digital gauge cluster. Make it as simple as possible. |
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It’s not all about outright performance, it’s about feel and emotion too.
Heck I’d take a 100hp drop if it sounded like an e92 again!!
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However with any type of serious track driving the RWD platform will win because of the lack of extra weight (front diff + transfer case) in the front and also less maintenance on consumables due to wear and tear. |
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PDK is awesome... owned a 718S and also drove a 991 GT3 and Turbo at PECLA. No denying it's fantastic and it's what I prefer on the track so I can focus more on braking zones than downshifting (wrong and upsetting the car) and I don't have to worry about money shifts. On the street though, the manual is still my preference because I just enjoy it more. Preferred my 6MT F80 over the DCT I also owned by a long shot. DCT felt faster so i piggybacked the 6MT to make up for that hehe.
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I shouldn't have said nose heavy ... meant just understeery which often go hand in hand but not always directly related... I think it's probably more the mechanics of the front drive that causes a lot of AWD cars to push/plow through a turn and requires a lot of throttle lift etc to turn it in and make it through mid turn before rocketing out
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M Xdrive is already tuned to minimize understeer in the M5, I expect the F8X with it’s sharper track focus to be tuned further for optimal track balance. https://www.bmw-m.com/en/topics/maga...-m-xdrive.html Quote:
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My view is that the 30hp difference cannot overcome the heavier weight on track, especially in a competition environment where one has to maintain performance lap after lap. There is a reason why Porsche uses RWD on the GT2RS. |
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And have you done serious track work with AWD&RWD platforms? AWD does give driver more confidence when tuned right but given same sticky rubber, RWDs(FR layout) are generally faster as they have less parasitic loss once they are kinetic.
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