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      03-07-2020, 11:22 AM   #177
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Tesla isn't for everyone. They're cool cars, but not my personal cup of tea....at least not yet. Even if it beat the M8 i could careless. All the Tesla look the same...at least if you're going to sell a customer a P100D give it some carbon fiber optional trimming and different bumpers besides painting the calipers red and marking up the price tag.
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OTA update with Track Mode v2.0 installed yesterday. 👍🏻

Looking forward to testing it out at Grattan Raceway next month! 😎
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OTA update with Track Mode v2.0 installed yesterday. 👍🏻

Looking forward to testing it out at Grattan Raceway next month! 😎
Got my Track Mode V2.0 as well. Haven't messed with it yet as I barely ever use the track mode. The car is already fast enough and handles pretty well. My F80 M3 though handles a bit better.
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I own an F90 M5 and X7, but I could definitely see getting the Model 3P as a daily driver. I can't give up my exhaust notes and interior quality altogether for Tesla though.
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What can Tesla "Track Mode v2.0" do for you?!? Watch:

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Interesting, I ran into couple 3P. I walked away from one and ran next to the other one, so Andrew your pipe is helping with MP tune of course, lol.

X3M tuned will destroy 3P.
I bet upcoming G80 M3 tuned will run easy next to S P100D (if not faster). Not sure how you guys get used to giant iPad. At least model S dash looks ok.
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Interesting, I ran into couple 3P. I walked away from one and ran next to the other one, so Andrew your pipe is helping with MP tune of course, lol.

X3M tuned will destroy 3P.
I bet upcoming G80 M3 tuned will run easy next to S P100D (if not faster).
Well, sure, there are plenty of tuned/not emissions compliant/no warranty cars that will run with or away from the Model 3P.

If any of those things are important to you, though, you have to spend $25-30K more for a new sports sedan to match or beat its performance.
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      03-18-2020, 10:10 AM   #184
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Interesting, I ran into couple 3P. I walked away from one and ran next to the other one, so Andrew your pipe is helping with MP tune of course, lol.

X3M tuned will destroy 3P.
I bet upcoming G80 M3 tuned will run easy next to S P100D (if not faster). Not sure how you guys get used to giant iPad. At least model S dash looks ok.
You're insinuating the new M3 will run mid-low 2 seconds 0-60?, Even the best meth in the world cant get you to that conclusion, yes, pun intended, put down that pipe, that andrew gave you, zing.
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Well, sure, there are plenty of tuned/not emissions compliant/no warranty cars that will run with or away from the Model 3P.

If any of those things are important to you, though, you have to spend $25-30K more for a new sports sedan to match or beat its performance.
In all fairness, the model 3 and the model S can't match the performance of the top tier competition, their motor and battery cooling systems handicap them. Not to take away from the gobbles of torque, and millisecond pedal response, but running out of steam after the first 1-2 pulls doesn't exactly scream success.
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      03-18-2020, 11:34 AM   #186
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In all fairness, the model 3 and the model S can't match the performance of the top tier competition, their motor and battery cooling systems handicap them. Not to take away from the gobbles of torque, and millisecond pedal response, but running out of steam after the first 1-2 pulls doesn't exactly scream success.
The Model 3 doesn't suffer the same cooling issues that the Model S does:

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ce-track-test/
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In all fairness, the model 3 and the model S can't match the performance of the top tier competition, their motor and battery cooling systems handicap them. Not to take away from the gobbles of torque, and millisecond pedal response, but running out of steam after the first 1-2 pulls doesn't exactly scream success.
The Model 3 doesn't suffer the same cooling issues that the Model S does:

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/road-tests/a22625274/tesla-model-3-performance-track-test/
Yet it's still not as predictable as an ICE car.


Heat buildup is inevitable. After three or four laps at absolute tire-torturing full speed, the car begins to reduce power output.
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Yet it's still not as predictable as an ICE car.


Heat buildup is inevitable. After three or four laps at absolute tire-torturing full speed, the car begins to reduce power output.
Yep, just like high-performance turbocharged ICE vehicles under similar stress when their knock sensors reduce output - BTDT.
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Yep, just like high-performance turbocharged ICE vehicles under similar stress when their knock sensors reduce output - BTDT.
I wouldn't say JUST like...that's a stretch.
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I wouldn't say JUST like...that's a stretch.
You can split hairs if you like, but the fact remains that turbo ICE vehicles don't continue to produce maximum power when they get hot.

In any case, that type of limiting never occurs on the street with the Model 3, so it's immaterial 99.8% of the time.
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These are the reasons I dont trust Model 3 is a good performance car:
- the majority of track tests for tesla cars slam it as a bad track car
- I've heard an owner say his ludicrous car chewed through tires in a few thousands miles.
- The tesla quality and support reviews are dismal, a performance car needs both of those

P.S. my feelings about Alfa Romeo are similar. When these companies get their reliability in line I will reconsider
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These are the reasons I dont trust Model 3 is a good performance car:
- the majority of track tests for tesla cars slam it as a bad track car
- I've heard an owner say his ludicrous car chewed through tires in a few thousands miles.
- The tesla quality and support reviews are dismal, a performance car needs both of those
- you seem to be confusing the Model S with the Model 3. The Model 3 Performance is faster around most tracks than its competitors, including the M3.
- Model 3s don’t have Ludicrous mode - only the Model S does, lending further credence to the idea that you’re confusing the Model 3 and Model S.
- The Model 3 Performance includes a “Track Mode”. A manufacturer can’t offer much more support for a performance vehicle than that!
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Found this post from Jason Camissa really interesting.

"Track Mode V2 Verdict: does donuts, but it’s no Taycan. ⁣

I’m not usually disappointed by Tesla’s tech, and I absolutely love that the team keeps rolling out “unnecessary” upgrades that keep their owners engaged, excited, and enthralled. Track Mode V2 is one of those. Bravo.⁣

But it’s not exactly what it says it is. When I move the slider to 100/0 bias, I expect the rear motor to be switched off. It ain’t.⁣ Floor it, and the car pulls 0.9g of lateral acceleration. In the wet. A FWD car would max out well below half that. It’s using all 4 wheels until it suddenly decides not to.⁣

I didn’t try the car on a track (everything is closed, let’s not forget) but I did find a parking lot and did some donuts in the name of science.⁣ In 0/100 mode (100% rear) with lots of lock, it starts out by again powering all four wheels, then suddenly and abruptly transitions to 100% rear. It’s tough to catch the slide, but if you do, you can absolutely do donuts.⁣

But I wouldn’t be playing with this setting on the street. Because of the inconsistent behavior, you could easily misjudge where the Front motor switches off and wind up in a tree. Or a curb. Or a baby stroller.…or a Coronavirus-mask production factory. Ouch.⁣

On track, at sustained high Gs in a long corner, I suspect the bias differences are more obvious. But on the street, it’s inconsistent and doesn’t actually do what the slider says it’s doing.⁣

As a yardstick, I use the Taycan. It has no FWD/RWD slider, which is a shame: except it doesn’t need it. Boot the accelerator, and it behaves just like an AWD 911: rear-bias first to initiate the slide, then just enough power up front to help you hold — not fix — the drift. Blip and you get power to the rear. Sustain and it fades forward. It’s almost completely intuitive, natural, and outrageously easy to control.⁣

If the Taycan is a 8/10 on the natural-and-predictable scale, the Tesla is a 3.⁣ The best thing about Tesla? It’ll probably just be upgraded via over-the-air update.⁣"

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These are the reasons I dont trust Model 3 is a good performance car:
- the majority of track tests for tesla cars slam it as a bad track car
- I've heard an owner say his ludicrous car chewed through tires in a few thousands miles.
- The tesla quality and support reviews are dismal, a performance car needs both of those
- you seem to be confusing the Model S with the Model 3. The Model 3 Performance is faster around most tracks than its competitors, including the M3.
- Model 3s don't have Ludicrous mode - only the Model S does, lending further credence to the idea that you're confusing the Model 3 and Model S.
- The Model 3 Performance includes a "Track Mode". A manufacturer can't offer much more support for a performance vehicle than that!
Track:
Topgear F80 M3 vs Tesla Model 3:


Tesla Model S overheat:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/insidee...-on-track/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/jalopni...1827321127/amp

https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forum...ing-race-track

Tires Model 3:
https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forum...-do-tires-last

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/thre...ar-bar.124595/

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors...tent=post_body
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Track: Topgear F80 M3 vs Tesla Model 3:

Tesla Model S overheat:

Tires Model 3:
Not sure what your point is.

The Model 3 Performance won that track test against the M3.

The Model S indeed does overheat in heavy use. The Model 3 doesn’t.

The threads you linked showed tire wear experiences of all types - some good, some not so good.

So again, what was your point?

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Track: Topgear F80 M3 vs Tesla Model 3:

Tesla Model S overheat:

Tires Model 3:
Not sure what your point is.

The Model 3 Performance won that track test against the M3.

The Model S indeed does overheat in heavy use. The Model 3 doesn't.

The threads you linked showed tire wear experiences of all types - some good, some not so good.

So again, what was your point?
My point is, there is enough reporting out there that the Tesla cars are not great at track, tires wear like butter, tesla can,t handle maintence for their cars. Sure, model 3 won the track fight in this video, but my subjective viewpoint is that BMW M makes a better performance and track car. This thread is about preference of M3 and model 3 so I am sharing some of the info that I have that influences me. Granted I havent test driven either car, but my leanings may not even have me test drive the tesla (or alfa romeo as a similar example car with reliability issues) until their reputation starts improving. Reputation matters.

If you think the Model 3 is a better track car than M3, good for you
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...Granted I havent test driven either car...
'nuff said.
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'nuff said.
Did you test drive the M3 before you bought Model 3?
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