[M3Fahrer]

I hope BMW goes back to their previous European Delivery insurance carrier so I can drive the next one on the Ring again.

[evanescent03]

okay - nothing significantly different from what I can tell... it's fine if they keep testing it to improve that last little bit but can we please have a look & feel or the 98.5% finished product, please!? Some/(many?) of us do irrational things when we get impatient lol

[DML]

I wonder if rope floss will be included with the Beaver tooth grill, damn well better be.

[Ghostriderf80]

Originally Posted by Croatian test driver

If you can't appreciate a nice beaver I dunno man. lol

[dmboone25]

Can they make it bigger?

I'm not sure there's enough barge in there....

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Can they make it bigger?

I'm not sure there's enough barge in there....

Next generation for sure.

Then they will call it a M240i, and will release the 1er GC to replace it.

[Colinv6]

It sounds very muted, this must definately be a Euro spec car with exhaust filters

Looks quick and composed, however, as expected on the flip side of this, seems to lack drama?

[Falafel Combo]

19/20 inch wheels?

xDrive variant, most likely.

Looks aggressive and seems to be well planted. Sounds meh.

[xlover]

Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

19/20 inch wheels?

Staggered wheels sizes are apparently going to become an M thing... ynguldyn noted a while ago that the M3/M4 were going to go that way and the MX5/X6 both have staggerd sizes on the comp pack (21/22)

[kern417]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Next generation for sure.

Then they will call it a M240i, and will release the 1er GC to replace it.

personally i'm excited to hear about what they do when they hit the ceiling on their nomenclature. Can you imagine the convo?

"I have a 2065 0.25-80i on order. It's a 2.0T though. To get the 6 cylinder, you have to order the ///M0.25-90i. It just reminds me more of my E46 ever since the 0.5-series got so hefty."

[RowanBuds]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

On the contrary. Those that I know of have seen it are very excited by it. One comment I have heard them say that it's the most, visually aggressive M car yet. And far from restrained.

With a preliminary qualification of all due respect for your postings, contributions, and insight;

Why would anyone here ever expect your pre-release feedback to be any different than this? I'd never imagine you coming here saying 'yeah, some guys on the team have seen it and, just as you expected, the front end is a gigantic clusterfuck.' Or, 'yup, the new grille is a hideous miss by our design department, who were obviously poached from the firing pool of Lexus and Acura'.

No judgment, no criticism of what you do - just pointing out that anyone here expecting other than the corporate line will be disappointed.

Thanks, as ALWAYS, for your contributions and time spent on the forum Scott.

Self edit by my internal cynic: excited =/= positive. visually aggressive =/= good looking. far from restrained =/= a cohesively designed total package.

It could just be phrasology and i'm reading too much into it, but even your reply here is far from saying its a good looking product.

[535i MSport]

Visually aggressive....that's a very careful choice of words.

Here's hoping that we are all wrong and somehow, it works.😁

[pbar]

Originally Posted by 535i MSport

Visually aggressive....that's a very careful choice of words.

Perhaps a euphemism for "hurts my eyes" ?

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by RowanBuds

With a preliminary qualification of all due respect for your postings, contributions, and insight;

Why would anyone here ever expect your pre-release feedback to be any different than this? I'd never imagine you coming here saying 'yeah, some guys on the team have seen it and, just as you expected, the front end is a gigantic clusterfuck.' Or, 'yup, the new grille is a hideous miss by our design department, who were obviously poached from the firing pool of Lexus and Acura'.

No judgment, no criticism of what you do - just pointing out that anyone here expecting other than the corporate line will be disappointed.

Thanks, as ALWAYS, for your contributions and time spent on the forum Scott.

Self edit by my internal cynic: excited =/= positive. visually aggressive =/= good looking. far from restrained =/= a cohesively designed total package.

It could just be phrasology and i'm reading too much into it, but even your reply here is far from saying its a good looking product.

Ah you think I have bias towards a BMW product?
So I Toe the company line?

I actually raise opinion regards many methods such as product,design and technology that I exercise my freedom to be highly critical.
One such example I am known for is my distaste to the current MINI countryman which I think design wise is a complete abonoamation to the MINI ethos.
Which I am glad that the next series of MINI are returning to its early days with a product that can capture that emotion that MINI ran with. As I feel today's MINIs have squandered this era.

I like the new 4 because I was one of the people within the company that stood up in 2016 and agreed we had to become a bolder type of conservative. The large grille has been a part of BMW history so it is not an entirely new concept but new for this era.

By all accounts the M3 takes this boldness and envelopes into a bold new and aggressive aerodynamics package, which understated is fine if you want to surprise. But not everybody has to Be the wolf in sheeps clothing. This is purely to push the M cars further away from their M Performance everyday accessibility.
With M3 People say it works and you have that distance.
The larger kidney grille adds more character
It works on the production 4 and it works on the new 2.

[535i MSport]

I would buy this...

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Ah you think I have bias towards a BMW product?
So I Toe the company line?

I actually raise opinion regards many methods such as product,design and technology that I exercise my freedom to be highly critical.
One such example I am known for is my distaste to the current MINI countryman which I think design wise is a complete abonoamation to the MINI ethos.
Which I am glad that the next series of MINI are returning to its early days with a product that can capture that emotion that MINI ran with. As I feel today's MINIs have squandered this era.

I like the new 4 because I was one of the people within the company that stood up in 2016 and agreed we had to become a bolder type of conservative. The large grille has been a part of BMW history so it is not an entirely new concept but new for this era.

By all accounts the M3 takes this boldness and envelopes into a bold new and aggressive aerodynamics package, which understated is fine if you want to surprise. But not everybody has to Be the wolf in sheeps clothing. This is purely to push the M cars further away from their M Performance everyday accessibility.
With M3 People say it works and you have that distance.
The larger kidney grille adds more character
It works on the production 4 and it works on the new 2.

Well stated!

[RowanBuds]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Ah you think I have bias towards a BMW product?
So I Toe the company line?

I actually raise opinion regards many methods such as product,design and technology that I exercise my freedom to be highly critical.
One such example I am known for is my distaste to the current MINI countryman which I think design wise is a complete abonoamation to the MINI ethos.
Which I am glad that the next series of MINI are returning to its early days with a product that can capture that emotion that MINI ran with. As I feel today's MINIs have squandered this era.

I like the new 4 because I was one of the people within the company that stood up in 2016 and agreed we had to become a bolder type of conservative. The large grille has been a part of BMW history so it is not an entirely new concept but new for this era.

By all accounts the M3 takes this boldness and envelopes into a bold new and aggressive aerodynamics package, which understated is fine if you want to surprise. But not everybody has to Be the wolf in sheeps clothing. This is purely to push the M cars further away from their M Performance everyday accessibility.
With M3 People say it works and you have that distance.
The larger kidney grille adds more character
It works on the production 4 and it works on the new 2.

Awesome feedback, and I apologize if any offense was taken.

I certainly haven't seen your criticality on the mini as I don't usually frequent their forums.

I look forward to seeing the finished product brought to market so that I can choose my next fun car.

Thanks Scott!

[Tacoma]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Ah you think I have bias towards a
I like the new 4 because I was one of the people within the company that stood up in 2016 and agreed we had to become a bolder type of conservative. The large grille has been a part of BMW history so it is not an entirely new concept but new for this era.

By all accounts the M3 takes this boldness and envelopes into a bold new and aggressive aerodynamics package, which understated is fine if you want to surprise. But not everybody has to Be the wolf in sheeps clothing. This is purely to push the M cars further away from their M Performance everyday accessibility.
With M3 People say it works and you have that distance.
The larger kidney grille adds more character
It works on the production 4 and it works on the new 2.

I would dispute that bigger grille equals boldness. It's not. Oversized grilles have been done by Audi's Singleframe grille and Lexus' Spindle grille and recently MB with the large Panamericana grille. And just as you are saying a large grille has been "a part of BMW history," Lexus and MB have made that claim before as well, so even the justification for it is not new. You can't claim boldness if you're only copying a design trend that's more than decade old (Audi's Singleframe started in 2007).

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Tacoma

I would dispute that bigger grille equals boldness. It's not. Oversized grilles have been done by Audi's Singleframe grille and Lexus' Spindle grille and recently MB with the large Panamericana grille. And just as you are saying a large grille has been "a part of BMW history," Lexus and MB have made that claim before as well, so even the justification for it is not new. You can't claim boldness if you're only copying a design trend that's more than decade old (Audi's Singleframe started in 2007).

Bold is a synonym to brave. It implies a design that is controversial and risky. I think the comments on the grille on bimmerpost overwhelmingly show that the large grille design on the G80 is indeed bold

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by Tacoma

I would dispute that bigger grille equals boldness. It's not. Oversized grilles have been done by Audi's Singleframe grille and Lexus' Spindle grille and recently MB with the large Panamericana grille. And just as you are saying a large grille has been "a part of BMW history," Lexus and MB have made that claim before as well, so even the justification for it is not new. You can't claim boldness if you're only copying a design trend that's more than decade old (Audi's Singleframe started in 2007).

Lexus does not really have much of a history especially when it is around 30 years old. BMW had that oversize grille in the thirties and as an example on the 1939 328. Sure the grille was a lot thinner but it was large enough to dominate the front of the car. Which is what's happens with the new 4 which you see with the concept.


It was pre-warned with the 328 Hommage and CSL Hommage concepts that radical change was being thought of. The rear lights that everyone thinks have been influenced by Lexus actually began to gestate with the BMW ConnectedDrive Concept.

But the ideas certainly were conceived in the eighties/nineties where an idea to use the headlights or indeed L shaped tail lights as just a shape in the metal, just a light bar, not a full unit are coming back.
A good example of this idea being used was on the E46 3er Compact where the front lights are not actually units but the actual double-halo headlights situated in the actual front of the car.

Everything you have seen is considered original because they pushed these ideas forward for forthcoming change. Remember the auto industry is actually real life time travel. You can look back to go forward.
The 4er when it launches next Summer may be all new to the market But it will be over two years old.

[Lt1camaro]

Is it me or do these upshifts from the nurburgring testing not sound like a ZF8 at all? It sounds more DCT than anything. Especially compared to f80 testing. Skip to 29s.

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Lexus does not really have much of a history especially when it is around 30 years old. BMW had that oversize grille in the thirties and as an example on the 1939 328. Sure the grille was a lot thinner but it was large enough to dominate the front of the car. Which is what's happens with the new 4 which you see with the concept.


It was pre-warned with the 328 Hommage and CSL Hommage concepts that radical change was being thought of. The rear lights that everyone thinks have been influenced by Lexus actually began to gestate with the BMW ConnectedDrive Concept.

But the ideas certainly were conceived in the eighties/nineties where an idea to use the headlights or indeed L shaped tail lights as just a shape in the metal, just a light bar, not a full unit are coming back.
A good example of this idea being used was on the E46 3er Compact where the front lights are not actually units but the actual double-halo headlights situated in the actual front of the car.

Everything you have seen is considered original because they pushed these ideas forward for forthcoming change. Remember the auto industry is actually real life time travel. You can look back to go forward.
The 4er when it launches next Summer may be all new to the market But it will be over two years old.

Can you comment more on the new grille on the next 2 series?