[barryc365]

Firstly, glad you are ok. That’s the main thing.

However, I find it hard to believe ‘black ice’ is to blame here. How many others crashed in the same spot the same night? It hasn’t been that cold in the North East the last few days at all

Driving too fast for the conditions more likely

Winter tires might not have saved you if it was genuine black ice or you were driving too fast for the conditions

I have a RWD M3, in the North East. These cars are fine in winter with the right tires and the right driving style but any car will not survive the winter if driven inappropriately on incorrect tires

I ran winters the first winter, more recently I’ve ran summers but only use the car when the conditions permit. If the conditions are poor, I take my SUV. I know not everyone has that luxury and in that case, you need to swap on to winter tires

Cheap lesson in the end I think. You made it out alive thank god

[TopJimmy]

Originally Posted by M3ZCPNYC

round 3 fight!

MORTAL KOMBAT!

[G30M]

Originally Posted by 'Cane

I'm not sure winter tires would've saved you from black ice anyway. Glad you're ok, the car can be replaced.

wait, winter tires don't save you from black ice? (ignorant, our country effectively "bans" winter tires)

[frequentflyer123]

Originally Posted by maverick618

The temp drops below 40F often there, and summer tires are useless at that temperature. You actually run the risk of damaging the tire if the temp falls lower.

It's just not worth the risk, even in borderline conditions.

It's not "useless". Getting real sick and tired of all the "summer tires turn into hockey pucks below 40F comments". So what at 39.9F, the car just has zero traction? Nonsense.

Temps in NYC can hit 30-50 in a span of a few hours. I've had no issues driving with summers in the winter in NYC as long as day time temperature is greater than 40. If it is less, the car stays home.

If the highest day time temperature in your city is <30F, I'd get winters. NYC you can do without as long as you are sensible.

[Custom Install]

Originally Posted by M2siast

We fail to see the relevance. You live in a place that doesn’t require winter tires. Lots of places in the world (including in the US) do not require them because of their climate.

Obviously OP’s climate is different and the proof is in the pudding. Arguing otherwise is foolish, just refer back to post #1. Maybe it doesn’t apply to you where you live, but if you’re ever in NY, be sure to learn a lesson from others, it’ll be cheaper for you.

We? Ok then.

I’m not disagreeing for one minute winter tyres aren’t a good idea.
You decided to imply I made a statement that was untrue, that pisses me off just so you know where I’m coming from.
Scotland has spells of severe winter conditions and arguably on par with the US areas in question.
So my point all along is drive to the conditions, that’s exactly what 99% of people here do in the winter using the same tyres all year round.
Anyway, the point was not to beat up the OP for his mistake, shit happens and is anyone commenting on his mistake perfect.
No.

[Forzanerazzurri]

OP, this isn't normal dude. Glad you're OK but not sure you should be driving, you're going to kill someone.

[Custom Install]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Quoting the wrong guy, I never said you lied. You are talking to at least two people, hence the “we”

Ok I see what happened thanks (and sorry &#128522

[SwankPeRFection]

Originally Posted by HotRodM4

GEICO is killing me in NYC with these rates 😔.

The trust fund kids on Instagram in NY and NJ drifting their CSLs on the roads isn’t helping things either. 🙄

[Rux]

“Done wrapped the M4 around a telephone pole I looked at my car and I said, "oh brother".I'll throw it in the gutter, and go buy another…”


Now you can get the LCI!

[Crester]

Originally Posted by BimmerNewbie66

Glad you’re ok! I’ve done something similar about 30 years ago in upstate New York on all season tires driving an old battleship Lincoln Town Car. Black ice is nothing to take lightly! Can’t understand those out there who want to make you out to be the a$$hole for driving YOUR car they way YOU want to.

Excuse me what??? You're actually annoyed that people aren't happy he was driving on performance SUMMER TIRES in the winter??? Come on man... it's not just himself he's putting at risk... he's putting the lives at risk of other people on the road as well. If you can afford a BMW M you can afford winter tires.

[Crester]

Originally Posted by Custom Install

Glad your ok OP
I see the tyre police have arrived in force.
Here in Scotland those temps are not unnormal most winter days, and I never ever hear of anyone swapping wheels on their performance cars.
You take it easy and respect the conditions, but black ice shows zero respect back.
Some really shitty comments getting thrown your way, pretty sad the people like to just stamp all over you when your obviously down.

Good luck.

Those aren't shitty comments... those just happen to be comments from people with a brain.

[Crester]

Originally Posted by TopJimmy

Not your fault. Glad you’re ok. Insurance will take care of the car.

He drove in the winter weather with performance summers... of course it's his fault.

[jmack123]

Originally Posted by Custom Install

Your right, I just made it up sorry about that …
I could go a drive right now and film it it that makes you happy, then you’d believe.
Not a single car I know has winter tyres on it, not one. I never see local cars with wheels swapped in winter.
Do you think I just waste my time posting lies on forums?

I think if that’s true, there are a lot of people around you who apparently don’t pay attention to what’s going on.

Summer tires in the winter on a RWD high horsepower vehicle is disaster waiting to happen.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by jnj2455

Gah I've struggled with this too since our winters are not nearly what they used to be w/ climate change.

Reading the reactions of everyone here and thinking to myself that how I've also driven in sub 30 degree temps on summers a few times out of laziness/ill timing.

Not an M4 but even my RWD F32 w/ the B58 without an LSD, the rear gets squirrely so easily when its remotely wet. I still have a dedicated Conti Extreme Contact DS for summers and Pirelli Sottozeros for winter but I think once the Contis wear out I'm gonna switch to HP all-seasons and slap on the winters only when the first snowfall hits.

I feel proper winter tires are too extreme for where and how I use my car and choose to put Conti DWS (UHPAS) on in the cold.

[2srsman]

Glad the OP is okay. The car can be replaced.

[KiloCo]

Originally Posted by HotRodM4

GEICO is killing me in NYC with these rates 😔.

I hope the driver of the white M4 is doing ok. The car can be replaced!

There is no way I would drive a Porsche or a BMW in New York City regardless of the weather!

I have GEICO and I don't even drive my M4 Comp in the rain or at night. If it's not Sunny Southern California weather, the M4 will stay in the Garage.

[M4theWIN1]

Glad to hear OP is okay. Certainly sucks but at least the car is replaceable.

For all you nonbelievers out there thinking summer tires are okay year round, here’s an article straight from Michelin regarding it.

[jmack123]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

I feel proper winter tires are too extreme for where and how I use my car and choose to put Conti DWS (UHPAS) on in the cold.

I use the same on mine as well. They work just as well if not better than winter tires on pavement and are a significant upgrade (obviously) over summer tires.

There’s quite a bit of compromise in braking on snow, but feel they do the job in the Northeast US where the original poster is located.

[BklynNYBMW]

Hey G82Anxious. So sorry about your toy. The main thing is that you are ok. While we all know you love your car. It is material and replaceable. Time to take a break, regroup and plan for the next toy. But the main thing is that you are ok and the car protected you. Hang in there and be safe.
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[D_SheerDrivingPleasure]

This is an opportune moment to link these winter tires for sale. 19 inch.

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=2071864

[Custom Install]

Originally Posted by Crester

Those aren't shitty comments... those just happen to be comments from people with a brain.

Get a grip mate, drama queen.
There is no doubt winters tyres make sense, but have you seen the damage to the car, 50mph crash?
Clearly there is two sides to this story, and then the truth.
You think winter tyres would have saved this car all things considered??
Its got Fck all to do with tyres, in the end you drive to the conditions your car is capable of.
All the justification of those with winter tyres is just a big willy waving contest.
This guy has fcked up, he knows that, we know that but the winter tyre backlash is just like cancel culture.
Pick easy targets and feel good if you will but I feel sorry for the guy, he’s human and so am I.

[TopJimmy]

Originally Posted by Crester

He drove in the winter weather with performance summers... of course it's his fault.

I drove ambulances for 10 years and winter tires won’t stop you on smooth ice. Studded tires might give you a slight chance on rough ice, but not black ice. I’ve seen cop cars and fire trucks slide sideways into the curb with chains on…and they weren’t even rolling. Give the guy a break.