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Yes, AWD M3/M4 like the F90 M5 | 199 | 63.38% | |
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Either way is cool with me | 39 | 12.42% | |
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09-06-2017, 03:18 PM | #90 |
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It won't be. I mean I don't know that for certain, but I'd put the chances on that even lower than AWD. Why? Because hybrid drivetrains are expensive and, for this application, unnecessary to achieve the desired performance goals while meeting efficiency and emissions targets.
Someday we will have AWD hybrid electric M3s with 600hp. But not next generation. |
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I agree if you can get all the power down on these cars are all wheel drive mode it would be huge ,, Porsche, Lambo's have been doing it for years with all that horsepower ,,,BMW can do it to... not only huge increase in performance but a safer driving machine too...
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09-06-2017, 05:58 PM | #93 |
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Any reason why they cant just offer both options ? make all happy.
Ability to toggle rwd to awd is cool, but why not let people buy what they really want. |
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There is also the product development cost associated with that. Every variant has to be properly tested and fine tuned. They can do that for mainstream 3ers but not M3's. There is no business model to support the ROI. |
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I have many years as lead engineer in the product development of machinery and instrumentation. I also managed the manufacturing engineering group on the operations side. The stuff I've worked on is dwarfed by cars in terms of scope and logistics. The amount of effort to properly bring a product like that to market with the level of quality needed so that people don't bitch and moan incessantly on car forums is simply mind-blowing. To trivialize that is ignorance. |
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Then when all of that is done, they probably do road testing and performance. Marketing invariably weighs in heavily. What will be the market implications? Will one be noticeably better than the other and kill sales? What about cost? Then comes spec'ing tires and winter/dry/wet testing. After all that, maybe everyone is in agreement. Now you have to establish supply chain negotiate costs with suppliers. You now reduced the volume of both, so both will get more expensive. In the line, you have to have make room to stock both, develop fixtures, program robots, develop work instructions for assembly of both, more testing to make sure both are put in properly. Especial tooling as needed. Marketing material needs to be created. How do you launch and promote the car with all these variants? How many demo cars do you make and which ones do you give to the press? Dealer service needs to be trained, manuals created, parts need to be stocked. And all of this needs to be done so well that both an idiot with a lot of money or a track god can both beat the hell out of the car and car forums won't bitch. Yeah, it's complicated. Sure they offer variants. And all those variants incur the process I mentioned (which is probably a ignorant, low guess on my part). But at least they sell tens of thousands of those variants. Why do you think they want to kill the 6MT? Recall how BMW reacted to the E60 M5 and put in a 6MT. That was a total failure. And that was just a simpler 6MT instead of a DCT with no impact to the which wheels are driven. It was probably a ton of effort to that. That is why they killed it for the F10 M5. Not worth it. Last edited by FC; 09-07-2017 at 03:03 PM.. |
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09-07-2017, 11:17 AM | #100 |
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Seems like from the results on this thread that the AWD haters are just the most vocal on the forum. Made me almost ashamed to be really okay with an intelligent AWD system like the M5. But now, I see there are other like minded individuals out there.
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09-07-2017, 12:28 PM | #101 |
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yeah, well, you did it again. We must work at the same company or something.
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Personally I was a huge fan of the E9x M - it had personality, but was not a comfortable car for non-sport people. The F8x is a much more comfortable car, and also much more sporty ... but what it lost was that day-to-day sport feel as you have to really push the car to break into the fun zone, but when you do you're breaking the law. For me that's the downside of the F8x. But yeah, the product is a luxe daily driver that also wins all track/'ring/drag numbers so they can market it as a sports car. because race car and also because kids are sweating in the back seat on long drives even though the temp control is the same as in the front. COME ON BMW! |
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09-07-2017, 08:59 PM | #105 |
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Herbert??? Well, Herb, I agree -
BMW has a few mules out there with the M5 system and they're testing for performance, versatility, etc while at the same time analysts are looking at production costs, M5 AWD acceptance, these forums, potential new buyers, etc. At a minimum you can already hear all the explosion of reviews: here's the performance with AWD on, on auto, RWD only, etc etc. The press release and marketing alone are going to attract a much larger audience and they may siphon off some 911 4C drivers. From a revenue perspective I can't see how an AWD M3/4 wouldn't be a huge success ... just depends on the costs. |
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09-07-2017, 10:39 PM | #106 |
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I think if they go AWD, it will still feel sporty as long as they reintroduce the CF driveshaft to compensate for the extra weight of the AWD...
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09-08-2017, 12:27 PM | #109 |
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What if we are all wrong and they keep the same HP (~450-500 hp) and go lighter (knock off ~400 lbs) with RWD, and a manual transmission option? I am sure everyone will be happy with that!
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3000lb, s55, 6mt, 285mm wide front/335mm wide rear tires, super aggressive aero and jrz rs pro coilovers please. Oh wait, there was the super $$$ gts already and it wasn't any of that.. so never mind.... Sure, make it a 3900lb awd porker then |
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