[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by adc

I understand lease rates were not favorable on the F8x CS even when they were sitting around on lots.

And I expect the CSL MSRP to be north of $150k.

I got a $6,500 lease credit and a substantial discount when I got my F80 CS, which had been on the lot 6 months.

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

The ///M product nomenclature strategy has been publicized a while ago:
Base -> Competition -> CS -> CSL (replacing GTS)

Yeah I remember that slide but couldn't find it - so GTS is dead, CSL revived.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Ibiza

This ^^.

Expect the G80/G82 CS to follow after the LCI now.

Agree with the disappointment with the HP, but 540 hp is pushing the RWD— traction control will have to be less sensitive to engage. AWD would be too much weight.

There are a few front engine RWD 600+hp track focused cars that I can think of that perform fine. I was with a pair of ZL1 1LE this weekend, they seemed to cope with their 650hp quite well

[Tyga11]

Originally Posted by Inductive

At that price range, I would never agree to "put up with" or "live with" that embarrassment of a front grill. Hell I never considered it for the $85K G80/G82, regardless of how well it drives.

For $150K, car designers should simply be fired for attempting un-wise design experiments as if the product was a shoe or handbag.

The grill looks good in person. Stop being so dramatic

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by barryc365

Hopefully they go with a DCT like the original and a carbon intake. The thump from the original gearbox and the sound of the air box was worth the price of admission alone

The E46 M3 CSL didn't have a DCT but the SMG.

[barryc365]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

I wonder if this is the replacement for the GTS or a replacement for the CS

If it's a replacement for the GTS, I'm disappointed with the power output. I was expecting 540 for the CS (to further differentiate from the ZCP) and 580 for the CSL

The e46 CSL only had 20 or 30hp more than the stock M3 and is the greatest car of all time made by BMW.

It's not about the power, it's about the weight with a CSL. This things needs to be on a serious diet to capture the essence of what the car is all about.

150hp extra would mean nothing if it was heavy and had bad traction

[chicagofan00]

Originally Posted by Ibiza

🔥🔥
Much appreciated for the update.

Suspect that the M headlights might have yellow hue LED coloring, similar to the F90 CS, as manufacturing an entirely new headlight unit would not make financial sense— easier to modify an existing part.

I see the BMW Driving Experience adding the CSL to their fleet and charging a premium—I'm all in to travel to Germany for a track training event.

Rear seat will be stripped out like the former F82 GTS with a roll cage with racing bucket seats available.

The note about the different headlights piqued my interest. I wonder if they will be able to be retrofitted and coded to work with the G80s?

Most likely will be extremely cost prohibitive but would still be cool as a possibility.

[PLF69]

It's not just about the weight, it's not just about the power, it's not about the roll cage, it's about the result of all the small changes that make the driving dynamics better.

F series CS and M5CS are prime exemple.

[VCP]

I hope being RWD only they allow for suitable size tyres out back. My M4GTS suffers greatly from power/chassis greatness to inadequate tyre size.

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by VCP

I hope being RWD only they allow for suitable size tyres out back. My M4GTS suffers greatly from power/chassis greatness to inadequate tyre size.

I think this has been highly rectified with the new chassis/wheel/tire combo on the G series.

[VCP]

Originally Posted by PLF69

I think this has been highly rectified with the new chassis/wheel/tire combo on the G series.

We will see. I have a F90C and yes it is amazing due to AWD, period. I have a M2CS and it's amazing due to wheelbase and width to power with same tyre fitment as my GTS. I was really hoping the M x drive made it to the CSL. As you said l, it's not about the weight..

[Griz]

Originally Posted by barryc365

The e46 CSL only had 20 or 30hp more than the stock M3 and is the greatest car of all time made by BMW.

Not even the best M3. The E30 M3 Evo and E36 M3 Lightweight are more important and desirable M3s. How about an M1?

[tonymac1]

Interested in what the M headlights would look like….

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by barryc365

The e46 CSL only had 20 or 30hp more than the stock M3 and is the greatest car of all time made by BMW.

17hp to be exact (360 vs 343 hp DIN)

[MistaVauros]

You gotta let go of the manual, like seriously. Manual is all but dead and there's no longer anything "proper" about a manual in a modern day high end sports car. We all drove them for years and it was fun. What you all should be upset about is BMW forgoing the DCT, which is "proper" in a modern day high end sports car.

So many questionable decisions by BMW the last few years 😔

[barryc365]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

17hp to be exact (360 vs 343 hp DIN)

This was my old one before I moved to the states. Unbelievable cars

I don't think an E30 M3 Evo or a LTW E36 even come close. CSL is the daddy, IMO of course!

M1 I will concede is an outrageously cool car but very unobtainable for pretty much most folks out there at this stage and not many can even claim to have driven one.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by barryc365

This was my old one before I moved to the states. Unbelievable cars

I don't think an E30 M3 Evo or a LTW E36 even come close. CSL is the daddy, IMO of course!

M1 I will concede is an outrageously cool car but very unobtainable for pretty much most folks out there at this stage and not many can even claim to have driven one.

What a gem

[Yas_sir]

They likely won't offer a manual because they seem pretty insistent that this manual transmission can't reliably handle a ton of power and they wouldn't de-tune the CS power rating to offer a manual. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt they will offer a manual for that reason.

[Yas_sir]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

I got a $6,500 lease credit and a substantial discount when I got my F80 CS, which had been on the lot 6 months.

I'm amazed that BMW are making the CS again given the lack of consumer interest in the F8x. Honestly, kudos to BMW for continuing to make interesting/fun cars.

[3RDSECTOR]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

3400 lbs C8 Corvette are pipe dreams. A Z51 weighs 3638 lbs on C&D scales making it a porker for its relatively small size compared to the G8x. People keep talking like the G8x is some kind of massively overweight car despite the fact that it's lighter than its direct competition and in the ballpark of smaller cars like the C8.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...18-cayman-gt4/

You do realize the Z06 is going to have a smaller engine right?…

[iamdabest1]

Am I the only one that would rather have the new upcoming z06 over any version of the m4?

[Trojan4evr]

Originally Posted by iamdabest1

Am I the only one that would rather have the new upcoming z06 over any version of the m4?

Naw you're correct. There's however one car that has me kinda retooling for my next car. I have a manual G80 right now and would love to have another performance oriented sedan with MT right next to it. For that reason I'd love to get my hands on the CT5-V Blackwing.