10-31-2020, 07:13 AM | #67 |
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Looks like Joe was well impressed. Exterior design would be a showstopper for me but otherwise, it sounds as if BMW has nailed this one, performance and handling wise.
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10-31-2020, 08:20 AM | #68 |
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Funny the BMW biased YT guys praise these things, yet legitimate auto magazines are definitely not impressed by the driving experience.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mot...irst-test/amp/
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I don't know why you struggle to accept that a potential buyer doesn't want to drive a car that looks like that. Performance or not. As for it's performance, it's not blowing anyone's mind these days. It's basically expected from what we know of the powertrain and how the competitors have been stacking up.
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10-31-2020, 10:30 AM | #72 |
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Seeing is believing...
I don't know where all of this is "it doesn't look so bad it person" blather comes from. It doesn't look like the photos or videos in real life. Well I don't know how other people's eyes work, but the first 440 I saw on the street looks exactly like it's pictures, and obviously is ugly as sin.
And please stop repeating the PR statement - the new grill looks nothing like the 50s models. Those were functional for airflow also. It's solely because Chinese buyers expect big and ugly. It's unfortunate, I'm a lifelong BMW driver and need to upgrade my 328 coupe as it's now 10 years old. I will not be buying the 4 though. For me, all that's left is the 2 series or another used model. Once the 2 gets is re-design next year, I don't think the brand will have anything I'm interested in. Onward and upward, I guess. |
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10-31-2020, 11:09 AM | #75 | |
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What I was saying is for 335 they did not make a huge stride in 0-60 or horsepower from 2007 to 2016. Engine did get more refined and reliable and was able to carry heavier weight without sacrifice in performance. |
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But personally I wouldn't purchase anything in this segment anymore. Everybody is trying to sell you the idea of "sporty" while really just producing fast but mostly comfort-oriented commuter cars. The Porsche Macan line is actually the 4 door driver's car of choice.
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10-31-2020, 12:38 PM | #78 | |
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You're not wrong. Along with the F series, these are all cars I could not take my eyes off of when I saw them on the road, and they still all turn my head. This new body is kind of offensive in comparison, moreso than "aggressive." But the Asian markets should gobble it up. It feels like something meant for their market. As mentioned above the alpha guilia is a head turner, always, similar to the e90, e92, f30, f32, etc |
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North American publications were lukewarm on the F3X while European publications were more positive. Doesn't help when North American publications keep comparing each generation and harping back to the E30, E46, E90. European reviews generally take the car for what it is today. Should be noted that all the M SAV's that are reviewed by North American publications usually get loved for the most part while the Europeans pretty much lament them. So back to your original comment, I know what you're trying to hint at and I don't think it's that - you just have people using different criteria for reviewing a car. |
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I think when we look back, this grille talk will look kind of silly. After a few years after release, haven't all generations been reviewed very positively as well as improved on significantly? I feel that this repeat echo chamber and why discussions have gone down the piss poor path of comparison like every thread of late is recency bias and in particular, negative, unhappy, myopic owners of prior gen cars with an ownership bias to believe what they own is best. once you get over the reality that applies to anything you buy of "best today is 2nd best tomorrow", constructive criticism and a informative discussion can be had I'm fairly certain im one of the younger BMW enthusiasts in their 20s but i'm shocked by the immaturity and the "you should have your eyes checked" comments when someone says they like the design. Being a toxic and myopic BMW enthusiast is ultimately going to push new buyers away, and may lead to the downfall of the brand that we all love so much and have enough passion for to discuss and share our opinions. Last edited by Avaley; 10-31-2020 at 12:54 PM.. |
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While I do not like the styling decisions either, I'm giving the professionals the benefit of the doubt over "i don't like the grille/design" and feel that any unbiased, emotionally stable, mature adult should come to the same conclusion. Sales figures will speak for themselves and vote with your dollar by not buying the new car. |
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I am liking this blue. And I am usually not a blue car fan
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The cosmetic issues are minor from my experience but I don't live in Arizona (an example) and consider that climate an extreme. Unfortunately bmw used gum on some interior parts and e46 interior was the worst when it comes to parts peeling. The N52 does have lifter tick but once you rev it and get the oil moving it's gone. Overall I consider them very durable cars and we are seeing them now approach 200k+ mi. The versatily and driver-machine interface is wonderful at that price point. My biggest gripe was no factory lsd option especially on 335i with all that tq at 1500 rpm. |
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My guess is the car will have to be faster to justify the new car price but how many laps and how do we swap rear brake pads? I can tell you that it looks like they forgot to include rear brake caliper. For people that are buying dual purpose vehicle they may not get one this time. |
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