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The only reason the RWD cars start in second gear using launch control is that it is faster. The AWD version uses an identical transmission and launches in first gear because it actually hooks in first with AWD The drivetrain in these cars are VERY strong. There are cars are running high 9s and low 10s on stock turbos and drivetrain.
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sometimes its best to consider overall build dynamics and power behind the engine and again what about the drivers ?
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i just dont feel bmw can compete with the 911 GT cars, audi r8, or amg gt series. using 40-50k commuter car as a base to create something that competes with six figure supercars is hard to do. even just trying to make a front engine car compete with a mid/rear engine in terms of driving dynamics is tough, you need to shove that engine way far back like a amg gt / viper / or 812 sf and have the driver sit on the rear axle.
i wish they would create a standalone sports car that starts its base model in the 120-140k range and goes up from there.
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M4 CSL matches the 991.1 GT3 RS and is in the same ballpark as the 991.2 GT3. |
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01-28-2023, 07:50 PM | #51 |
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I do not believe the latter is true. The M4 CSL's times are all on Cup2R tires and the 991.1 3RS and .2 GT3 were on Cup2s. Add Cup2Rs to either of those and they are even faster. Even with Cup2s, the .1 3RS did 7:18 (and I think that was on the long track) and the .2 did 7:12. You add Cup2Rs and those times drop by 7-10 seconds which is still much faster, despite being 1 generation old cars. BMW built a great car in the CSL but it's no GT car even if you back up about 10 years.
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A nissan gtr can pull laps faster than a 458 Just a different experience have a v8 or v10. Or having an engine behind you instead of in front.
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01-29-2023, 08:12 AM | #54 | |
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Here are the fastestlaps times for the .1 3RS and M4 CSL. Track BMW M4 CSL Porsche 911 GT3 RS Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours Club 1:20.10 1:19.22 Nürburgring Nordschleife 7:15.67 7:20.00 Nürburgring GP Sprint 1:34.91 1:35.00 Autocar Dry Handling Track 1:09.20 1:09.90 Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours GP 1:51.86 1:51.62 Hockenheim GP 1:50.10 1:50.78 Sachsenring 1:29.54 1:33.34 Autocar Wet Handling Track 1:31.70 1:26.20 The M4CSL, despite being on a faster and 8 years new doesn't really shows like it is in the ballpark on those laps - a few ever so slightly faster and a few that are ever so slightly slower...again the tires would change that. THe times for the 997 GT3 RS accounting for tires would be VERY close and that car is about 14 years old. I cannot find the article, but on a show around 1 min lap, a GT3RS was 1.5 seconds faster. Beyond that, Misha C was 7 seconds faster on a Cup2R vs a Cup2 in a .1 3RS so it really does make a difference. Again, not taking anything away from the CSL, as I was about to buy before my wife and the CS annoucement stopped me but the GT3s have always been so far ahead and more so when you consider they're still using NA engines that dont have the benefit of massive torque like a turbo S or 2RS. |
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Of course, GT3 is a purpose built performance sports car while the G series M is a performance version of a mid-size sedan. Not sure there are any surprises here, just flattery for the CSL being close.
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Another one just for comparison. M4 GTS at VIR did a 2:53 lap and a Panamera turbo a 2:47 despite being a nearly 5000 lb uber luxury car. M5CS despite being 600 lbs lighter and having more power & torque was only able to manager a 2:50. Maybe we all forget, but the 3/4 series are designed to be sport sedans and knowing that they'll do more performance oriented versions. The levels of torsional rigidity, suspension work BMW does is nothing short of great work. The G8x platform is a very good car and delivers in ways the F8x never could. Last edited by HeelToeShift; 01-29-2023 at 12:25 PM.. |
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Having said what I did above, I agree. Dedicated sports car please!
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