05-13-2024, 08:02 AM | #45 |
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I don't think there is brand snobbery in this thread. Where there is smoke, there is fire. The issues are real and it's just a matter if you're willing to put up with them or not. Again, see my earlier posts.
I think it's a total shame that this car has been so tainted by it's (apparently well deserved) reputation for unreliability. By all accounts it's one of the all time great driver's small sedans (and I do mean small, it's tighter than an F80, I sat in them both at the same car show when the F80 launched...yes that's how old the current Giulia is). But this is not 1970-1980. We can't excuse modern cars that fail with such regularity. It just shouldn't happen in this day and age. Pity. |
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05-13-2024, 09:25 AM | #46 |
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As someone that has owned an e92, F80, F80cs and a G80, the Giulia Quad is superior to all of them from a drivers perspective, and not even close in some cases. I never had an issue with mine, but there's obviously some fire to that smoke.
That said.... given that the 2024 will the last hurrah and also comes with a host of improvements (LEDs, revised interior, mechanical LSD, etc.) does anyone think there's value in picking one up? I'm in a position to grab one right now (my previous was a 2018), but just weighing the merits. |
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05-13-2024, 09:54 AM | #47 | |
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05-15-2024, 11:53 PM | #48 | |
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And I had a Jaguar XFR at the time. So it's not like I was averse to non-German European cars -;p.s. The Jag was 100% trouble free.
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05-16-2024, 07:25 AM | #49 |
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Reliability and build quality are always a gamble. When you buy a car, or anything really, you're gambling that you'll be on the right side of the thing's failure rate.
Back in the 90's, one of the big players in the PC market was Packard Bell. They had the worst 1st year hardware failure rate in the industry for many years, reaching as high as 38% of all PCs shipped in either 1996 or 1997 (or thereabouts...it's been a while). That's an awful gamble. PCs were expensive back then and if you bought one you had a near 4 in 10 chance that it would break before it was a year old. But. You can find tons of folk who swear they were were a good PC brand because 62% of the folk who bought them that year had zero hardware issues. I know someone who was in high school when I was in the PC industry in the 90's whose parents bought him one, and all his friends had them. No one he knew had problems with them so his memory of them is that they were good computers when they absolutely were not. Anecdotal evidence of a product's reliability is rarely accurate. With cars, I don't ever feel that we have as much data on car reliability as we did on PC reliability back when Packard Bell and Compaq ruled the world. That being said, sometimes there are just too many anecdotes about a car and it becomes way too difficult to trust that your money is well-spent on it. |
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At least with the Alfa, you’re getting a VERY novel, Ferrari derived engine, almost unparalleled dynamics, etc. these are all objective. It’s just depends if you want to deal with the reliability aspects.
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Plus, the point was more about individual ownership experiences that folk push as evidence of an item's reliability, lack thereof, or other attributes. With most "unreliable" items, the majority of owners do not experience the bad side of the reliability game. I'm sure there are some unreliable manufactured things were the majority did, though solid data is often lacking. |
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-service is really not good enough. Knowing what I do about issues with so many brand new vehicles I would never own one, even if the QF is still beautiful to look at (and even that they undermined by using the same look on the véloce editions). |
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