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As the world moves towards electrification where brand differentiation will be harder to maintain as differences shrink, I would think BMW needs all its current owners to stay true within the brand. If I decide to buy a Porsche next (even second hand) or a nice American track car, what on earth will make me come back to BMW in 5 years?? Some 9 speed auto with a mild hybrid boost? Idrive 9.2 with emotional scent feature?
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06-18-2019, 08:40 AM | #420 |
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I think the post above mentioning that M has no choice is probably right...what's confounding is why not just use the existing DCT...it's robust enough to go another generation.
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06-18-2019, 08:13 PM | #421 |
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Analytics and ROI calculations do not factor in emotional aspects of the human customer. After ruining a set of tires at M school, I asked why BMW offered M school? The director stated “it was all for customer retention, they lose money on all students, but they gain retention, because the customer is fully invested into M”....
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06-18-2019, 08:31 PM | #422 | |
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PS did you notice the M3/M4 20 inch ZMP tires are not factory Michelin Super Sports, but Conti's? If it was all for customer retention, then why did the Performance Center cancel all the off site Advance M Schools? Finally, the PC staff is all outsourced third party contractors expect for 2 individuals (who I will not name due to privacy). We'll see how fully invested you are when the G80 is 8AT, as the PC doesn't offers 6MT vehicles— only the M1 was 6MT.
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06-19-2019, 02:47 PM | #423 | |
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It is a large automobile corporation at the end of the day, in recent years, I have become a huge fan of BMW for still offering manual transmission cars, European Delivery and adding the Thermal location. If they do not offer 6MT on the G80 it will probably signal the end of my relationship with the brand. I will go (full investment) wherever the manual transmission goes...... |
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07-05-2019, 08:37 AM | #424 | |
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- The 4 Series front will show you the front of the M3. - Go drive an M340i xDrive. That will tell you roughly how it will handle. - Go drive an X3 M. That will tell you about the engine and drivetrain. Put all three together - voila. |
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08-04-2019, 07:31 AM | #425 |
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So the M boss confirmed it will have all wheel drive. Will it also have all wheel steer? This will overcome turn radius issues normally associated with all wheel drive cars.
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Although BMW offers their “Integral Active Steering” rear wheel steering for the 5 Series and 7 Series, it is not available for the 3 Series nor the M5. This means it is virtually guaranteed not to be available for the M3 either.
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If your rwd car has a crappy turn radius, then that just means you're not using enough throttle
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Turning circle: 43 feet (F80 is 40 feet) |
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I just watched the video where Markus Flasch is interviewed about the introduction of the M2CS. He mentions the M-division is planning on creating/releasing more limited edition/upgraded versions (Sondermodelle) of their M cars.
This really smells to me like a money-grab scheme to be honest. That would mean holding back on performance or whatever features so they can release them later for a premium as limited models. A bit like Porsche with their limited runs of GTS models or T or R models. I would not be surprised if the G80/G82 was a bit lackluster in its initial form upon release, only to find all the editions that work better come out later on... |
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I don't see how it could be considered lackluster upon release. There will always be ways to improve it but 450hp+ from an engine that has already been shown to have excessive headroom and upgraded drivetrain/suspension will be plenty capable. A lot of us will modify it to the point where a "limited production" model will feel more lackluster anyway.
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