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And my original one was that if you don't like the grill you can still get BMWs without large versions (M5, M2). You can also order a car without a manual. The Grill gets BMWs 'face' out there with the next gen of buyers looking for a name. I just sold my F80 and was amazed how many potential buyers were new to the brand and were aspiring to it. All of them in their 30s mainly. |
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Thread title is hilarious, OP seems to be suggesting to 'know' that BMW 'might' know better than a few angry online keyboard haters of the early G8X pics.
No $h1T I'm fairly certain BMW are a 'quite successful' organisation and know exactly what they're doing.
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but the grille wahhhhhhhhh
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BMW is actually not taking much of a risk at all. BMW knows that the M3/M4 are low sales volume cars, also they know that BMW performance enthusiasts will be less likely to move to AMG if they are repeat M car buyers even though the grille is not great looking because M car buyers are more loyal. BMW is already back tracking on the grille. When did BMW M3/M4 have unique grilles from other series cars? Never, and they only said that this grille will be specific to M3/M4 and 4 series because of the backlash. They didn't say this out the outset. BMW always used the 3 Series to introduce new designs and then move it to other series but because the hate for the grille they are obviously taking a step back. |
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There are a lot expectations from owners and enthusiasts this is the benchmark car in its class. Frankly BMW's best all around vehicle. I'm looking forward to the first test drive and the AWD version to make the final decision regarding purchase. |
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You are correct, it’s low risk, based on M3 volume and tanking 4 series sales, but don’t really see any backtracking. The new grille is a signature of the i4 concept car and BMW has said they wanted to breakout the 4 as its own series. It’s all about marketing the i4 which needs to be a completely new style to go head to head with Tesla and a plethora of stylized EVs coming to market over the next 24 months.
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I'm not saying they won't make cool cars, the cars will definitely be better than a Tesla. Taycan looks great, and the e-Tron concept looks really cool. But if Tesla can capture the 30-50K EV market and push reliability and battery longevity, where does that leave the Germans? They have their work cut out for them because not many people are looking at 100K Taycans. I would love to see a 50K German EV that's sporty, reliable, and fun to drive, but right now I don't see one. I know that Northern San Francisco air can get to someone but take off the Silicon Valley hat for a second and think like an investor. Last edited by ThatKrazyPolak; 10-24-2020 at 07:36 PM.. |
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I've passed up on the G80 for a F87 CS. But selling my F80 I was taken how many buyers were coming at me from Mercedes. They were all a lot younger and they like the aggressive styling of the G80. Not for me. That said, they'll be buying cars 10-15 years after I stop. So it got me thinking... |
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The Civic Type R (BMW Performance Exhaust) approach they are going for is making me consider MB or Porsche next. I can't buy or drive a car that I'd feel embarrassed to be seen in because it's the car 20 year olds with 100K Instagram followed are now buying.
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If you really want a P car that is exclusive, I suggest a GT2 RS or GT3 RS with a Weissach package for ~$350k as non GT and even the GT4 cars won't gain you any "street cred" with boomers. BMW is a mainstream and I dare to say budget brand and if lifestyle brands are what you are looking for, I never hear owners of Lamborghinis, Ferraris and Mclarens complaining. We have so much damn choice in a very competitive market that something will tingle your butt dyno... |
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I agree with you and well said....but unfortunately what they are doing is intentional much needed help to their P&L line and $900 leases are pretty profitable for the Company.
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The number of buyers in the younger market size is forever growing and the older market is forever dying. No one wants to hear this and its morbid, but that is the truth, corporate is after profits not making their shrinking hardcore enthusiast base happy. edit: Its important to distinguish the above commentary is from a corporate stakeholder and equity owner's perspective and not a consumer/buyer. As a buyer, the only BMW that interests me now is the G87. Last edited by Avaley; 10-25-2020 at 10:39 AM.. |
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It creates loyalty, which incentivized sales, which increases profit. MB and Audi both went the mainstream way and buyers are more and more cross-shopping them. BMW joined the bandwagon and more and more buys are now cross-shopping BMW. A few years ago, BMW owners would hardly consider cross-shopping with MB or Audi.
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The big three are too homogenized at this point and I feel like the goal is to move units, thus the mainstreaming and cross shopping. Still the newest C63 and RS5 will have to improve on a relative basis if they want to stay neck and neck performance wise with the G8x. The good thing for us as buyers, is even Porsche will need to up their game as a few P-car friends have sold / traded 911s for the C8....one even got a Model S . |
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You cant even find a thread to simply discuss the G80/82 without people bitching about the grill of a car they haven't seen in person. Mind you no one has driven it yet. Its aggravating to say the least, People need to think back to 2013 when the F80/82 was first revealed no one liked those either for many reason and now here we are. history and facts always repeat it self. Xdrive M340i outsell the RWD AWD M3/M4 will even do better than the F8X Generation i can promise that. now BMW will take some Audi owners, look how well the new M5 is doing M8 as well |
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Its sad really...the amount of immaturity, whining and lack of good discussions has been VERY off putting to new members like us... I'm just trying to promote intelligent discussion. My first post / reason I joined was to leak the G8x photos as I felt that BMW enthusiasts deserved to see it early, but in reality, I should start spending my time on Rennlist instead if my goal is to have a thought provoking discussions with mature adults. |
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