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Yes, analysis paralysis is absolutely the case. However, I doubt I would ever be 100% happy with a car...that's just not me. The financial aspect isn't a huge deal, but it is more of a balancing act for me than it is for the "I also have a McLaren/GT3" crowd.
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05-07-2024, 01:37 PM | #27 |
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This is not complicated.
Everyone who drives a 6 speed manual M3 can drive an automatic transmission. So it’s 100% a choice for manual drivers. If you only want a great automatic transmission you have a lot of Options. M3 Competition Camry Honda Accord Macan Buick Hyundai Sonata Nissan Altima |
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I know this was tongue-in-cheek but some of the “great automatic” cars you list have CVT transmissions which are absolutely horrendous. 😉
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What’s the best M3? It’s a first world problems conversation… $80,000+ car This is better because blah blah blah… |
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05-08-2024, 01:35 PM | #31 | |
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Are you setting your own goals or are you listening to someone else who has set your goals/standards for you? The psychology starts early… Competition Base Turbo Tycan (they should be sued lol) GT GTS Sport S-Line Etc. Once upon a time it was blasphemous to own any sports car/sedan with an automatic transmission. That used to be the gospel. So who has set the bar for you? Is it the marketing team from said car manufacturer or do you know what you want? I applaud BMW marketing for resetting the table and putting an automatic transmission in an M3 and calling it the “Competition”. |
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Auto vs manual.
I had manual shift cars all of my driving life. The high performance ones I raced and 'power' shifted all the time and didn't care about beating them because that was what they were built for and were intended to be worked on all the time. For those that may not know what 'power' shifting is... it is keeping the gas pedal to the floor while simultaneously tapping the clutch pedal for a millisecond, just long enough to take some pressure off the splines of the synchronizer slider while the shifter is being rammed into the next gear. The brass synchronizer ring takes a beating as it has to instantaneously match rpms between the two shafts. The shifts are imperceptible when done right. With the passenger cars I wasn't inclined to 'power' shift and really enjoyed how connected I was to driving the cars. I learned how to eat a hamburger and shift at the same time pretty well. I really wanted my M car to be a manual for the connected driving aspects but at the same time I knew I would be beating the crap out of the gearbox by 'power' shifting it all the time and that would bother me a lot. The other thing I find (and this becomes more of an issue as I get older) is the time it takes to decide what gear to downshift to when someone pulls up along side me and wants to give it a go. Downshift one too many gears and you are wasting time upshifting a millisecond later. Don't down shift far enough and your not in the power band. I find that the automatic can do this so much faster and more accurately than I ever could. Happy I got the M4 Comp X with the auto. BTW - I drive a lot in 2WD as I like to be able to control the back of the car better around curves and turns. But if I'm competing I don't like wasting time spinning the tires. This car with it's torque from the turbos needs AWD and that was one of my bigger deciding factors in buying this car. I can have either AWD or 2WD in the blink of an eye. Last edited by turbojg; 05-08-2024 at 04:38 PM.. |
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I agree with the comment about modern turbo cars being too powerful for a manual - but only realized it after my wife did a brief stint in an abarth spider
I had initially intended to order a manual g80 just yo get one of the last manual M cars but changed my mind after driving the auto - I’ve had and own a few cars with the zf8, currently wife’s Grecale trofeo and a jag f-pace svr, and it really has made a dual clutch obsolete and arguably the manual I switched my order to an auto awd touring g81, thinking if I ever wanted a manual M car I could just buy a new manual m2 sitting on dealer floor at pretty much half the money of the touring (here in Australia with indi paint, ccb, buckets etc ) I’ll reserve the nostalgic 3 pedal vibe for the nostalgic analogue cars in my collection |
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Keep the manual. When you’re done, order another manual.
I had the Comp X. It’s boring by comparison. Much more capable and faster. But the manual is a blast, especially in the rain. |
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The only cars I owned were manuals until my daughter was born and I traded my 3000 gt for a 98 528I and never looked back. I was on my 30's and as of today I turned 60 and contemplated trading my car for a M2. Reality kicked in and after nursing my bad knee and sciatica, I'm sticking with the auto. My car is RWD and still don't desire xdrive although I see the value in it.
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A turbocharged car absolutely needs an automatic transmission to put a load on the engine so the turbos are producing boost before launch. It is a totally different story with a normally aspirated engine. In the 80s I built a twin turbocharged small block Chevy Nova to drag race. Everyone at the drags was running manual transmissions and when I was building the car everyone was telling me a turbocharged car couldn't be competitive at the drags. I proved them wrong as I loaded up the engine against the torque converter when the light was coming down and had full horsepower on launch. |
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It’s not all about flat out speed. I went up against an F80 comp DCT in the canyons and had the edge, gapping every corner exit. If you know how to drive the car, it’s still plenty fast. The comp x also suffers from the added weight and a lackluster ZF8 with sluggish downshifts compared to a DCT. 200 lbs extra on downhill esses can be a handful. |
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Honestly this obsession with 0-60 times is a bit overblown (no pun intended). The pull at higher revs is what makes ICE fun. The immense torque in a 6 cylinder with big turbos is a bit of a rough experience. BEV acceleration like in our iXM60 is incredible - smooth and immense. The manual is so much more fun, I can hit the shifts just right and do 4s to 60, which is 0.8s slower than the comp x .. but the flipside of enjoying the engagement is worth it! |
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