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As for the substantive point, the article is right that at some point the MT will go, but that is likely when all transmissions are auto because there is an electric engine (see Tesla, ibid) Will M3 dump it earlier? I doubt it. Still relatively strong take up in North America - at least to justify it being carried into next model (assuming all internal combustion engine) If it is gone, I would still look at next M.....but it does remove a significant barrier I have to going AMG/C63. It certainly makes that more of an option......
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01-24-2015, 08:52 AM | #25 |
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I'd read that manual was only an option THIS time around because of the American market. Which is funny because UK has been staunchly manual for a long time and believe it or not USA automatics were a running joke for a long time amongst many Brits. The tide has turned
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01-24-2015, 09:06 AM | #26 |
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It's unfortunate but the reality is that over time it will be impossible to buy MT cars. It might be 15 years before we see it but I predict it is coming. It eventually won't be an option because it will be cost prohibitive to provide the option for a smaller and smaller demand. MB has already gone that way. Ferrari and Lambo. Porsche is moving that way. BMW will also follow at some point.
My prediction is there is a MT in the next gen M3/4 and then it's done. But it will be done for most all new cars so it won't be like you will have the option of just jumping ship to Audi or Porsche. Everyone will be in the same boat.
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It would be funny if BMW ditched manuals altogether. I would have a complete meltdown next time around while shopping again. |
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Among 'normal' drivers/driving, the MT usage rate in Europe is much higher than in the USA. But over there, manuals are common in entry level cars, etc. In the USA, most cars aren't offered as a manual. Entry level, etc, are all autos. SO on this side of the world, the MT is a niche/enthusiast's feature (for us 'real drivers'...at least that is what we tell ourselves ) Over there it is much more 'yeah, sure, MT, I could buy a cheap Opel or Renault if I wanted that, a serious driver has the latest/greatest dual clutch gizmo...' So in the end, we have more manuals where offered in high end cars, but nowhere else. You have more everywhere else, but fewer in high end cars.
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I'm pretty sure next M3/M4 will have manual.
This looks like a false rumor
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Makes more sense, if they do anything re the manual tranny offering, to offer MTs in the even number series 2,4,6 and go with autos in the 3,5 & 7. But in any event MTs are harder to find nowadays and it's only going to get worse.
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It's sad to me that the automotive industry is losing the manual war even though I did not get my M4 with 6mt. Even Chevy caved in and gave the Z06 DCT. If the new Ford Mustang comes with an optional DCT you know it's really over. hahahaaaa I heard last year when a customer ordered a Lambo with manual Lambo called the dealer/customer a few times to make sure it wasn't a mistake.
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Please say this is not so! I was recently told by some people with Audi of America that they are working towards phasing MT out of entire product line by 2018-2020. This was huge deal breaker for me on the RS5 and I have swore that brand off for good now.
I realize that DCT is fun, efficient, fast blah etc. blah...I just prefer to whole driving experience of MT and will always prefer rowing and 3 pedals. Please DO NOT take this away from us. With that said, I am going to now start a campaign like Chik fil a and the cows that say "eat more chiken" and figure out a way to have the cows say "buy more manuals"
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I loved the 6MT in my M235i a beautiful experience to drive BUT in the UK it's my opinion that we get screwed here with the conversion to RHD. It's very badly done. I'm a die hard 8th BMW car fan but it's not done well sadly, the pedal offset is very very bad. I drive 20-25k a year and it's actually painful after a while in an RHD manual.
Food for thought firthe UK market. You LHD guys very lucky. 6MT a second car option for me I think now probably, at least in the smaller 235i.
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Not sure how someone ordered a Lambo with a MT... I didn't think it was an option on new cars?
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Hard to answer, as the problem hasn't arisen yet. We have a lot of other cars, so we are not tied to the 4 door concept, but it's handy to have. I absolutely get it that manuals are going away. I'll tie a knot on the end of the rope and hold on as long as possible.
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To me the manual was the selling point, only thing I truly wanted in the car. |
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It is easy to say if they don't offer X, I'm not buying X brand anymore. I truly wonder what all of the people saying that if there wasn't a manual option and everything was auto would really do. Not trying to be a fanboy or whatever, but I looked at a lot of cars before committing to the M3. Some did a couple of things better, but I still think this was the overall best package for my needs, wants and taste. Luckily for you MT folks, I really don't think you are going to have to worry about it it for quite a while in BMW land at least. There is a poster running around saying the sky is falling with this stuff and that the M2 isn't going to have an MT option. Then low and behold the test mule is an MT. |
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And While M3s do not compete with these cars they are for some of us not the ultimate dream cars, they are substitutes for cars we can't drive due to restrictions from needs or financials. I'm pretty sure BMW is aware of this market and want to provide a similar experience in a cheaper package. And if the role models have DCTs, well you see the "problem". |
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Same, here, the manual makes it special...DCTs are are dime a dozen nothing special. That's why I rule out Lexus even though they are high value and more reliable long term. No manual...no sale. Once BMW drops them, I doubt I would want to spend so much money for a BMW when there are other automatic choices out there from Lexus, Mercedes, Audi, etc There is so little that sets a BMW apart from the rest nowadays that once they drop manual, they will just blend in for me. They are already following the pack with door window controls, fake sound, forced ipad displays, video game lighting, turbos, electric steering and so on. We all know that BMW won't care though because there are very few of us that feel that strongly so it won't matter. Yes the manual is dead and anyone that likes a manual should get one while they can because the future is automatic only. |
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Audi doesn't sell the RS4 here so there is no direct 4 door competitor to the M3 if you want/need a four door. They sell the RS5 and a lot of you MT people get just as worked up about AWD being a no no. Lexus is heavy and unlike others I'm really not a fan of their interior or infotainment controls. Not to mention the polarizing exterior styling. It seems MB with the AMG C63 for me would be the closest car that could get me away from BMW. Even though I'm not enamored with its looks (mostly rear end) and its cockpit is less ergonomically driver orientated compared to BMW's IMO. Last edited by minn19; 01-24-2015 at 01:36 PM.. |
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