[LeedsM4]

Originally Posted by thatBimmerBloke

I believe that was only about power, he followed with how it differs and excels when it comes to the chassis and handling.

And then went on to say that there's a delay with the gearbox, a characteristic of the ZF gearbox - in which, the M340i uses

[Scorp!on]

Originally Posted by Rick955

For sure, and I they all love that engine. Imagine if BMW had leaned a bit more towards traditional vs so radical with the grill.

Then maybe the sales number would be higher, I can't tell.

But one thing is for sure:
- Everyone was talking about BMW because they made that grill

Like it or not, but now everyone knows about this car and talked about it... Once people get used to it this will be positive.

I don't think that only idiot's work at BMW, they know exactly what they are doing...
And also, I personally like it Even though I wouldn't have been mad if they made a conservative grill though, I would have bought this anyway as it was always my dream to own an M3.

[trey100]

I haven't gone through all these pages so hopefully not a repeat but did you notice Car and Driver had 0-100 for the manual at 9.2 yet 1/4 mile at 11.7. Those don't seem aligned as the F80 manual was about the same to 100. Can't see making up that much in the last couple of seconds.

[m630]

Its absolutely silly to think that bmw needed to hype a new design for the M3, its just not true no matter how one wants to justify the design.

The last sentence says it all, people dream about owning an M3 so bmw didnt need to do this and thats my biggest gripe.

Its ugly period. And Im sure many peps like me will have to decide if we can accept how off the design is because we know its going to drive well.

Still undecided.

[Blindside_137]

Originally Posted by m630

Its absolutely silly to think that bmw needed to hype a new design for the M3, its just not true no matter how one wants to justify the design.

The last sentence says it all, people dream about owning an M3 so bmw didnt need to do this and thats my biggest gripe.

Its ugly period. And Im sure many peps like me will have to decide if we can accept how off the design is because we know its going to drive well.

Still undecided.

I agree. The fact many people in these reviews have to say it's "not that bad" or "the M grille is less ugly than the 440" is telling. It's seeming to be a brilliant car that people are basically going to have to overlook because of all the other things this car offers that the competitors simply don't.

To me the E9x was the dream car, which I have now and love dearly but never got to experience "brand new." I've always wanted to own a new M3 someday so I too will likely overlook the awkward front end design so that I can experience a four door manual transmission with nearly 500hp. As awkward as this car is from the front it is killer with everything else and the Cadillac black wing CT4V is even more awkward of a design.

[RPM33]

Originally Posted by Advevo

I have driven a ZF8 on track no way i would buy an M3 with that.

Next

1800 kg are they nuts! My wife X1 SUV is lighter lol.

M3 has become more a replacement for an M5. Nice fast daily with all the comforts.

Buying M car means for me also fun on trackdays. The M3 and M4 has growon to much in weight, size and price. I take Manual M2!

Let’s just hope they don’t f... up the new M2 with more weight and size.

The next generation M2 from the pictures definitely looks longer and most likely will have more weight. Plus no DCT and not made in the home country.

[simpelton]

My take on CH review is that he didn't think very highly of the car. Competent yes but he prefers the generations prior, transmission, weight, character. He loved the f80 from his first review, didn't feel the same to me in this.
You watch his recent video on the 992 gt3 and he's like a kid, that's when you know that Chrissy likes.

The topgear review doesn't have Harris name on it. Sure the 9/10 will have Chris's input but if it's a panel, his vote, judging my the video review, would be lower.

Now to figure out how to get into a gt3. Will hold onto the f80 in the mean time.

May a g80 CSL, manual will fix

[SportySpice]

Originally Posted by m630

Its absolutely silly to think that bmw needed to hype a new design for the M3, its just not true no matter how one wants to justify the design.

The last sentence says it all, people dream about owning an M3 so bmw didnt need to do this and thats my biggest gripe.

Its ugly period. And Im sure many peps like me will have to decide if we can accept how off the design is because we know its going to drive well.

Still undecided.

"Its (sic) ugly period." To you. Looks are subjective.

[flanast]

Originally Posted by solstice

Yeah, just what I needed to be unsure again which to choose...everything they say about the 992 base Carrera rings true after my own test drive. I thought I was 90% decided just an M4 test drive away from settled but now I'm not so sure again.

Agree, this was an eye opening review for someone who will track their car.

[thatBimmerBloke]

Originally Posted by LeedsM4

And then went on to say that there's a delay with the gearbox, a characteristic of the ZF gearbox - in which, the M340i uses

He loved driving it, it was clearly evident. "Well done BMW", "more capable than the car it is replacing", that says a lot. Maybe a slight delay because of ZF8 but that doesn't make it anything like the M340i, there is no comparison, G80 is in another class, way higher than where G20/M340i stands.

[thaalrasha]

If you think CH liked the G80, you haven't seen him driving the M2 and how happy he was XD . He's just just saying it's a more capable car... he never said it was "better", i think he's one of those people where performance doesn't outclass feel and soul. He 's just saying it's a great car except the design, but i'm guessing he wouldn't buy one... or maybe the touring.

Also i'm guessing that new gen might have lots of revision same as F8x did ... so later cars might be significantly improved too...

[Puuhapete]

Originally Posted by m630

Its absolutely silly to think that bmw needed to hype a new design for the M3, its just not true no matter how one wants to justify the design.

The last sentence says it all, people dream about owning an M3 so bmw didnt need to do this and thats my biggest gripe.

Its ugly period. And Im sure many peps like me will have to decide if we can accept how off the design is because we know its going to drive well.

Still undecided.

Just came back from my dealer. He had a Tanzanite blue G80 there. I don't know if I dare to say this, but that car looked fucking amazing. I have hated it until now but have to make a 180 degree u-turn. I don't know if it was because of the darker color but the grills did not even look big. If somebody says the car looks even worse in flesh, I recommend a specsavers visit.

I definitely could buy this car if it wasn't for the ZF. I must say also the price is ridiculously high because of the high cartax in our country for petrol cars. That G80 did not even have carbon seats and it was 170k eur. The Taycan 4S I specced was 142k eur.......

But those people who live in the UK or US with an zero or almost zero cartax, go out and check the car! At least in that Tanzanite blue color it was a beauty. I suspect it is the same also for me at least with the IOM green. Personally I have had too many black and grey cars, don't like them anymore.

[Mani59]

The great Henry Catchpole:

[Spielkind79]

Maybe I'm the only one, but I like the G80 much more than the G82 and with a dark color (in my car davit) it looks just great, for me. I will take the small rims, black exhaust, RWD, ZF8 and 290 kmh package and will be the most happy family car driver in the world. To kick that thing on the Autobahn will make my day ones a week when I drive it there. The hips, the front, the back, the carbon roof - I like it.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Sublime00

Lol. Chris harris isn't raving about it so we are now shitting on him. Biased much? Lol.

All joking aside, I thought his review was pretty even keeled. Find a reviewer who generally likes the cars that you like or thinks the way you do, and put some stock in their opinion but ultimately you need to go drive it for yourself and see if the car vibes with you.

Who cares what the reviewers think and not everyone is going to jizz all over the car even if you're into it.

Agree this is ridiculous! CH is a great guy, doesn't go all out on video production and little jokes (I too LOVE Throttle House) but now because he probably prefers a small M2 type car and manual (no UK 6MT) he's not a good 'car guy'?

Please take the blinkers off guys.

[PrinceBarin]

It might be my fading memory but I do think the consensus is more positive than for the F80/F82 launch.

Last time it was chatter about the exhaust note and turbocharging. This time it's the styling (I do agree with CH about the wing mirrors mind).

You gotta love this moment though. It will calm down soon and, LCI & touring apart, another 8 years until the next gen M3.

In fact, it's the delay for the touring that most frustrates me, although at least here in the UK we are finally getting one. Sign me up.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Mani59

The great Henry Catchpole:

Yeah...this is already on the frontpage listed with the reviews or is this another?

[PeregrineFalcon]

Originally Posted by trey100

I haven't gone through all these pages so hopefully not a repeat but did you notice Car and Driver had 0-100 for the manual at 9.2 yet 1/4 mile at 11.7. Those don't seem aligned as the F80 manual was about the same to 100. Can't see making up that much in the last couple of seconds.

That is their estimate, not an actual test, but the competition is already doing 0-60 in 3.66 and 11,6 at 124,7 mph in a 1/4 mile as tested.
That would translate to around 7,8 sec from 100-200 km/h!

[gemini.m3]

CH didn’t like the car, but he’s not going to shit on the brand completely in my opinion. He made a post on IG where he said “actions speak louder than words” and it’s pretty clear in his review that he’s not physically really excited with the car. Go see his m2 comp or his other car reviews where he’s legitimately excited. That opinion might change over time and his word isn’t gospel but I think he represents a large voice in the m community

[PeregrineFalcon]

Originally Posted by PrinceBarin

It might be my fading memory but I do think the consensus is more positive than for the F80/F82 launch.

From my memory, I think it is drastically more positive compared to the F80/F82 launch if we exclude the design comments which are again subjective.

I think that the car has so much more road presence than any car in its class, and the interior is a class above the F80/82!

Overall great package!

[mcjohnsonsg]

Originally Posted by GerryM5

Over 13+ inches longer than my my M2C, yikes! That's huge😢😢😢

The next M2 will no doubt close that gap significantly!

[MightyMouseTech]

After seeing them both in person and beside each other, the M3 looks significantly better than the bloated looking M4.

IMHO of course.