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Solid video and review, well above average overall!
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That's the problem with you people. you mix up emotion with facts. Get your facts straight if you want to argue. Your post is full of nonsense and absoloutely zero know-how, and even I haven't got that much but at least I understood how the ZF works, you didn't. Not a bit. |
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04-15-2021, 04:51 PM | #26 |
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I don't agree that the interior is better than F8x and as good as an M5 and yes, it's subjective. It does look modern but that does not always mean better as F8x is simple and classy .This is just my humble view and being very picky.
The G8x dashboard is very plain and has plastic subwoofer cover. In person, you can spot that cheap plastic straight away. In photos it does look great! There is also no stitching on the dash, which reduces the leather feel until you touch it. The F8x subwoofer cover is proper metal and the dual stitching lines really enhance the leather feel. It looks classic/ dated but it feels like better quality. The G8x AC vents are the worst (well it's the same in most new generation BMWs). The middle vents looks different to the side ones and the plastic in these vents is so much flimsier and looks cheaper in comparison to the F8x. The air vent turning wheel is also different for the centre vents and the side vents. Why can't they look and feel the same?!? The touch sensitive buttons for the drive modes, etc in the G8x could have been solid buttons like in the F8x. It just lacks that feel and response when you press them. Digital dials vs Analogue dials. Won't say more on this topic. And I sorely missed the good old handbrake. Specially on the G82, the front door speakers have no HK badging. There is a placeholder for the badge but it's just plain. In the G80 it does have it. Silly. |
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04-15-2021, 05:00 PM | #27 |
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I dont think the ZF auto is such a big deal, many high HP cars have it. The way to make the car raw is just adding more engine/exhaust noise and reducing sound deadening, etc.
BMW wants the new G80 to feel more like an AMG Merc than a traditional BMW of old ... so they muted the car to the extreme in all aspects - not just the smoother transmission |
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04-15-2021, 05:54 PM | #28 |
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Becky's F80 is one sweet looking car. The color combination is great.
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The torque in low gears in the F80 is a liability to driving performance. That's a fact, and a well established one. We can argue until we are blue in the face about whether the mechanical nature of the DCT is more engaging, but if you're after engagement you should be in the 6 speed anyway. If the g80 is the new 340 then where does that leave the old f80? Is that the new 2er? |
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In no way does the ZF8 cycle down through gears to kick down. The BMW DCT (not DTC as you put it - just saying), is a deeply flawed transmission. It made my M6 really skittish to drive and was the worst part of the car. The ZF is a much better 'box for everyday driving. |
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Even in the e9x at 65mph when you pull the paddle and tip the throttle it drops from 7th gear to 2nd as fast as any single gear downshift it can do. The high redline helps the 5-cog gear drop but if everything is timed right upon braking it's pretty dramatic
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04-15-2021, 07:04 PM | #33 |
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Lots of butthurt DCT/F80 fanboys coming out of the woodwork to spew total nonsense and BS about how the ZF8 works. You guys don't deserve to own a BMW...
All it took was driving a M5C and a M2C back to back for me to realize the ZF8 was a better transmission than the DCT, all things considered. The difference in shift speed (both up and down) is virtually undetectable, while the difference in smoothness and day-to-day driveability was massive. For a car that has 4 doors and is meant to be a perfect "jack of all trades" type of vehicle, the ZF8 is the proper transmission. If you want a DCT that is actually good and engineered with almost zero compromises, go buy a Porsche. They do DCTs well. BMW does not. Sorry to break it to ya.
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04-15-2021, 07:32 PM | #35 |
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The transmission changes the character of the car considerebly just like bucket seats, suspension/chassis stiffness and engine torque characteristics do.
No need to go deep into model X vs model X war.
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There's still f80s for sale if ya hate the g80 so much, but if ya really want engagement in a transmission get the manual. From my experience in the f82 dct vs my m340 is the dct was way more violent and shifts felt like I was getting donkey kicked. I do know with the aggression levels the g80 will shift more violently then my g20. I won't mind ZF tranny especially since If I had a G80 it would be a daily
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As I understand it from the video the conclusion is : G80 is better in every single way however if you want the car that feels special for the weekend drive she'd take the F80 still. Did the G80 became too capable to feel alive at reasonable speeds ?
She came with James Dean, spotted him in the video background at some point... would have loved to hear what he thinks |
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Why this BS. She has a sweet car and a new generation BMW should be better. I don't get this pissing contest.
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G80 can still be fun at low speeds in my opinion but it is a more grown up car than previous generation. Maybe we can get James's opinion next time. Is is actually in some of the car to car shots - left him in there as an Easter Egg. |
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Over the years the software updates made a huge difference to the F8X's. |
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I did a Podcast with Becky if anyone is interested in finding out more about her. https://anchor.fm/imran-arshad0/epis...TJP-002-etij87 |
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