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If I had the money, I'd snatch up the CT5-VB. This is probably the last V8-powered sedan of any kind to offer a manual transmission. I tend to look at it as somewhat of a collector's item. If it turns out to be the driver's car like the ATS was, then what could possibly prevent it from being cross-shopped? Let's get real for the moment - we don't buy this kind of car for the interior. Reliability and dealer experience is somewhat of a crapshoot. That leaves vanity. There's NOTHING wrong with buying a car for the badge. Most goods and services have a segment where it is more expensive than others; not because it is necessarily better, but because of the reputation. Ferrari and Lamborghini are two examples in the automotive industry that thrives on this. I don't judge anyone who decides to purchase for this reason--as long as you're honest about it. |
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Of course there are Brand loyal People who just go for the brand they love, but if a manufactor really puts an amazing car on the road it will sell. Look at the GR Yaris for instance, people go nuts about that car. If Cadillac would really blow away BMW in any aspect and cost about the same or even less you could bet they would sell. They don't look sporty at all, interior is far behind and the overall Quality just doesn't seem to match up with BMW, Merc, Audi etc. |
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2) About the GR Yaris, when did it go on sale, and what are the sales #'s on this trim? 3) As to your comment about its looks, interior, and quality: It's subjective, and it makes no sense to argue over subjective observations. I will say that Cadillac models are usually much cheaper than their German rivals. I, for one, do not take issue if they cut corners (within reason) to make their performance cars more affordable to consumers. |
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I seriously considered waiting for the CT4-VB against the new G80. High performance 4 doors with MT are hard to come by these days, and the engineering Cadillac has invested in the platform has to be commended.
The designs of both cars could be justifiably criticized, but side by side the M3 just looks so much better. At this price point one shouldn't have to choose between performance and aesthetics and IMHO the M3 is the more complete package Last edited by filostrato; 03-24-2021 at 03:59 AM.. |
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I would hope that some people would buy the Blackwings. They are good cars that nobody buys and I hate to see another performance car fall by the wayside. It's just tough for brands to climb out from mediocrity and rebuild consumer confidence. The Mazda 3 has received glowing reviews for a while now and the masses largely ignore them, purchasing inferior vehicles like Civics and Corollas.
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[B] BMW's are getting softer, heavier, mainstream, so that the driving experience between it and other brands have narrowed to be no longer 2nd to none but sometimes just 2nd. [C] BMW has put the spotlight on styling that people turn their noses down on So, in short, times have changed primarily because BMW has changed to a form that BMW enthusiast no longer recognize. |
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I need to go test drive one, I've just been dismissing it because of the brand. I won't be buying one, because I've dreamed of owning an M3 for a long time, but I want to see what ones like!
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And some say the same about BMWs, especially Porschephiles and even some Mercedes fans.
Cadillac has come a long way, and now they're offering a 668-hp sedan in a manual. Let's see BMW top that. And GM engineers have built cars with an excellent chassis over the last 5 years using the maglev shocks, so their Vs tend to handle really well too, as they're quite balanced. I actually think performance wise, manual vs manual, the V's may outperform the new Ms - dollar for dollar. The CT5V is more akin to the new M3 in dollars (once you option them equally), not the M5...and that makes the CT5V a compelling alternative. So then it will come down to interior quality and aesthetics. I think the Caddies look pretty good, but I'm not a fan of the interior. But anyone that is, I think the Caddy will go toe to toe with BMW's new M models. |
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The CT5-V doesn’t look that bad on the outside. Unfortunately the inside looks like typical Caddy shyte. Still I’m curious to see the reviews and track times.
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and the CT5 is bigger than the 3er and smaller than the 5er
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