[scoale]

Originally Posted by adc

I think the disappointment comes from the fact that they didn’t do all that and made it lighter, like they did with the previous E90-F80 transition. To me it seems they just threw in the towel, just when they had the opportunity to make it absolutely incredible, last traditional M3 ever. I thought they could take this opportunity to give enthusiasts a gift, much like Porsche is doing with the GT4, GTS, etc.

I’m disappointed enough that I won’t buy one, but don’t wish the company ill, nor the new M3 owners ill. I hope they enjoy the car.

Leaving upside for CS/CSL ($$, of course)

In my view, the last M3 is going to be the G87. It will probably come in around E92 size and I'm sure hoping it gets some of the steering/chassis/suspension magic BMW seems to have dialed into the G82

[M3_WC]

1/8 tank is less than 2 gallons.

DIN weight includes 90% tank or ~14 gallons.

Gallon of fuel weighs 6.3 lbs, so add about 76 lbs to get a comparison to DIN weight.

OP’s car will weigh about 3843 lbs with 90% full tank.

[3RDSECTOR]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

G20 330i is ~3,660lb...

https://hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/fi...1567098880.pdf

That's definitely off the official starting weight from BMW is 1470 KG which is around 3300 LB.

[Scorp!on]

Originally Posted by cbertels

I might be wrong but isn't the f80 lighter, more powerful, and have more tech than the e90 while also growing in size? So I guess that world.

Yeah, let's ignore the fact that BMW got rid of 2 Cylinders going from e90 to F80.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Jcali86

If it's anything like the dyno/power thread the haters will just say that the "scales might not be accurate" or "what other cars were weighed here so we can compare to know it's accurate". Every silver lining has a silver lining with the G8X it seems though!

Scales CAN be wrong but I don't think that's the case here. The dyno argument is valid. No two dynos are the same. Even weather and altitude can change dyno numbers. It's been said over and over for decades that dyno numbers are for RELATIVE measurements only. Having said that, the G80 is for sure more powerful than the F80, but that doesn't mean that dynos tell the entire story. That's just ignoring well known facts.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by adc

I think the disappointment comes from the fact that they didn't do all that and made it lighter, like they did with the previous E90-F80 transition. To me it seems they just threw in the towel, just when they had the opportunity to make it absolutely incredible, last traditional M3 ever. I thought they could take this opportunity to give enthusiasts a gift, much like Porsche is doing with the GT4, GTS, etc.

I'm disappointed enough that I won't buy one, but don't wish the company ill, nor the new M3 owners ill. I hope they enjoy the car.

Imagine if they just simply kept the G20/G80 the same size as the F30/F80? We would have all the gains with none of the trade-offs. Even with the ugly front I would be more inclined to get one. That's what the G80 "apologists" don't understand. And I don't say "apologists" to be demeaning, it's just lack of a better term. I don't hate the G80. I hate that it grew in size. Size was never anything I ever complained about in the E46, E90, or F80. Stop making them bigger.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

It's been one terrible week for the G80 deniers

This is such a passive aggressive statement. I would have loved to hear that the G80 with a full tank is sub 3700. Why would that make my week terrible?

I'm not a G80 denier because it's fun or because I don't have one. I'm a denier because it's ugly, and it is in fact bigger and heavier. I'm just going off what BMW has released. It not like there is anything stopping me from getting a G80 except my opinion of the car. There is no benefit from being a "denier". I want to like the G80.

I have to admit, in this spec the weight isn't as bad as it seems but I do want to see a full tank weight. My M3 CS was lighter than this with an almost full tank and it has a DCT.

[nublu2u]

Although I'm aligned to BMW M cars, and what makes them special, I must fall in to the 'denier' camp because I don't like the looks, crap digital display and 8AT.

An AWD RS5, which no-one on this forum would consider the sharpest tool, is now lighter than a RWD M4, that's kinda sad but indicative of where BMW are heading.

[TheStanman]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Well I've already assumed it burning a hole in my pocket as fact . Now the question is if all the fuss is worth the extra dough and loss of practicality. I'll know soon enough .

Assuming you prioritize handling and feeling connected to the car, you'll never look back. When I bought my 991.1 C2S, I still had my F80 as well for 3 months. I was shocked at how numb and unsorted my M3 felt. Completely changed my perspective on the car. They were comparable in a straight-line and on the highway I preferred the M3 though. TT will be a different story there though.

I've got a 992 now and it's even more communicative which is rare for a new gen modern car. You do need to drive hard for steering feel to come alive though btw.

I still like BMW but the appeal is primarily affordability and practicality.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Scorp!on

Yeah, let's ignore the fact that BMW got rid of 2 Cylinders going from e90 to F80.

The V8 S65 was quite a light engine. It was lighter than the 6-cylinder S54 it replaced. Reports indicate that the S55 is actually 3kg heavier than the S65 despite having 2 less cylinders. The turbos plumbing and liquid intercooling system add a fair bit of weight. So the weight reduction of the F8X comes from the chassis, not the engine.

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by Transfer

I think you're misinterpreting amazing with acceptable. As many have said before if you're hoping for a car that is in the tradition of an M3 from the past, this is not your M3 any more. This is the new M5 and the M2 is the new M3.

The m3 is derived directly a base 3 series and they don't get to start from scratch. As the 3 series grows they have no choice to work with the base chassis they are given, right?

They can't do anything about the size and I'm sure they would love to work with a smaller car. However what they chose to do differently this time was rather than deploy weight-saving measures, they chose to use extra bracing to stiffen the chassis and improve the driving.

[BimmerFix]

Originally Posted by Driver_X

Yeah it's a full blown party going on because its not THAT heavy as the review numbers stated.
You just need to convince yourself its a lightweight and everything is fine

Last I checked we're in 2021 ...

What does the weight of a three generation old M3 have to do with anything.

All cars were lighter back then.

Bigger engines now, wayyyyy more tech, safety features. The list goes on & on

Those days we basically only had power windows, AM/FM & a CD player.

[jzmundy]

Originally Posted by BimmerFix

Last I checked we're in 2021 ...

What does the weight of a three generation old M3 have to do with anything.

All cars were lighter back then.

Bigger engines now, wayyyyy more tech, safety features. The list goes on & on

Those days we basically only had power windows, AM/FM & a CD player.

Yeah the comment comparing the G8x to a CSL from 15+ years ago is perplexing at best...

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by adc

If my car were 300lbs lighter I would pay less for track pads and tires and I would enjoy it more.

You're missing my point. The car weighs what the car weighs. My question specifically is about the utility of the data provided by the scales. I understand corner weighing a car with adjustable suspension, but weighing a road car seems entirely pointless when there's zero action taken with the information.

[bri1042]

The current Honda Civic is almost the exact length and weight as a 2000 Accord. The G80 M3 is almost the same length and weight as 2000 M5 (though the G80 is significantly wider).

The Civic grew too big to be the small Honda in the US, so they brought the Fit (Jazz) over from Japan to fill the gap. The Accord fills a slot that Honda hadn't filled in past years.

The 3 and 5 grew to match the size of the of the old 5 and 7, or thereabouts, so BMW brought us the 2. The 7 became the large car that BMW hadn't sold in the past.

This is the industry trend, not a BMW trend. The models all grew and smaller cars with new names filled the gap.

I bought my G80 very aware that I was actually buying the modern version of the '99 Manual M5 that I once lusted after. The current M5 is the M7 they never built back then. I spent 2 and a half years in my M2C and I can absolutely say that if you really want a modern E46, you need an M2, not an M3.

The industry's game with moving names upsize is annoying and it causes us all to argue the wrong argument. They're all at fault for this. But it doesn't matter as long as we all buy the actual car we want rather than obsessing about the name on the back.

Edit: And thank you BMW, for making the current version of the 99 or 2000 M5 Manual so cheap. Adjusted for inflation, that car's starting MSRP would be around $106k today (not far from the starting MSRP of the huge current M5), or 30 grand more expensive than the better-performing equivalently-sized car that I just bought.

[mestes1999]

Okay I'll ask since no one else has...

What the hell happened to the windshield?

[EXE46]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

The m3 is derived directly a base 3 series and they don't get to start from scratch. As the 3 series grows they have no choice to work with the base chassis they are given, right?

They can't do anything about the size and I'm sure they would love to work with a smaller car. However what they chose to do differently this time was rather than deploy weight-saving measures, they chose to use extra bracing to stiffen the chassis and improve the driving.

Porsche 911's, Caymans are built from the ground up as a sports car and hence superior. However, it's been stated many times that these cars are not competing with Porsche. Porsche is a niche product not for the masses. The price tag of Porsche clearly tells one that much.

[Walmart Parking Lot]

Originally Posted by XsltAnalyst

So +200lb compared to similarly equipped previous gen and awd models would add another ~150-200lbs. Pretty much inline with other estimates.
You could have 3 fit sorority girls as passengers in the F80 and it would still be lighter than G80 awd

I can confirm. I fit 4 sorority girls in my F82.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

However what they chose to do differently this time was rather than deploy weight-saving measures, they chose to use extra bracing to stiffen the chassis and improve the driving.

I keep seeing this point being repeated over and over when it has already been debunked. The F8X has in fact more/better chassis stiffening than the G8X has.

A heavier chassis to start with and less investment in weight reduction when turning it into an M are the reasons for the G8X weight increase.

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by EXE46

Porsche 911's, Caymans are built from the ground up as a sports car and hence superior. However, it's been stated many times that these cars are not competing with Porsche. Porsche is a niche product not for the masses. The price tag of Porsche clearly tells one that much.

I can afford a Porsche. I keep getting M3's though lol.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by EXE46

Porsche 911's, Caymans are built from the ground up as a sports car and hence superior. However, it's been stated many times that these cars are not competing with Porsche. Porsche is a niche product not for the masses. The price tag of Porsche clearly tells one that much.

There was a time where ///M cars were also a niche product "not intended for the masses"

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by bri1042

Edit: And thank you BMW, for making the current version of the 99 or 2000 M5 Manual so cheap. Adjusted for inflation, that car's starting MSRP would be around $106k today (not far from the starting MSRP of the huge current M5), or 30 grand more expensive than the better-performing equivalently-sized car that I just bought.

A bit off topic here, but I believe you hit the nail on the head. The G80 is really the spiritual successor the the E39 M5 in intended purpose. And they made it more powerful, lighter and with way more luxury and tech to boot. It is really a great car from that perspective.