[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by natedog7700

First of all, the GTR is in a different class, you rarely see cross shoppers for a M3 vs a GTR. The GTR is rough, loud and has no back seats (realistically speaking) and its interior is trash.

BMW guys just want it all, they do want the straight line speed. They also want the luxury card, the twisty card, and perhaps the biggest of all, the name. you can be seen in a dodge challenger but wheres the name in that picture. Where is the twisty in Dodge? Its non existent, the BMW guys DO care about straight line speed, its one of the most intoxicating feelings and its pretty alpha male to be faster than all your buddies in their peasant Ford/Dodge muscle cars.

The TTS and RS3 are nice, but are not faster, they just launch harder with the AWD producing better 1/4 mile times. My point is, for the money the S55 is a solid performer for straight line speed compared to other vehicles out there if you still want a good all around practical car. A M5/RS7 etc. would be better but those outclass a M2 and cost more.

Perfectly stated. Buy this car for the all around luxury/performance and style. Not to be beating everything in a drag race or roll race. My buddy has an S3. Those are bad little machines and only getting faster with more and more mods coming to market. I'm not the biggest Audi fan but will be getting an RS6 VERY soon.!!!

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by SickGTR

Perfectly stated. Buy this car for the all around luxury/performance and style. Not to be beating everything in a drag race or roll race. My buddy has an S3. Those are bad little machines and only getting faster with more and more mods coming to market. I'm not the biggest Audi fan but will be getting an RS6 VERY soon.!!!

Yea the M3 has always been jack-of-all trades; master of none. It does a lot of those things well; just not the best at any one of them. It's a great all-around package.

BTW I'm sure I've seen you around the area a few times

[Jimjamz]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I think this car will walk the F8X in the same way the F8X walked the E9X.

F80 has a big weight advantage. RWD to RWD what do you think?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Jimjamz

F80 has a big weight advantage. RWD to RWD what do you think?

I don't think it'll be as significant a factor as others believe, but it all remains to be seen. The X3M is faster 0-60 and in the 1/4 mile than an M3 Comp despite more than a 1000 lb. weight penalty. Estimates for the G8X vs F8X weight difference is somewhere around the 300-400 lb. range. I'm sure once people receive their cars and dyno/corner weight them, we'll have a better idea. BMW always finds a way to work performance magic.

[Transfer]

Originally Posted by Transfer

Car and Driver tested 2008 M3 at 12.6 through the 1/4 mile, 2015 M3 at 12.4, and 2020 X3M (~4500 lbs) at 11.6.

The G80 xDrive is going to mop the floor with F80.

Quoting myself from early in thread to reiterate how insanely fast the G80 is going to be.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Transfer

Quoting myself from early in thread to reiterate how insanely fast the G80 is going to be.

I agree. I think the performance gap is going to be significant.

[whatnotsomuchf80]

I can't wait to check back on this forum when there are 900whp AWD G80's out there. The S58 is a highly tunable engine. GTRs need a full transmission upgrade when you reach certain levels and they're outdated. Also- plenty of ways to save weight on this platform- the weight numbers are w plenty of options

[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by whatnotsomuchf80

I can't wait to check back on this forum when there are 900whp AWD G80's out there. The S58 is a highly tunable engine. GTRs need a full transmission upgrade when you reach certain levels and they're outdated. Also- plenty of ways to save weight on this platform- the weight numbers are w plenty of options

I have a question. Are you expecting to run 800-900 lbs of torque on a factory G80 tranny? Not sure what saying the GTR needs an upgraded tranny has to do with anything? Also, you plan on running that power, you will be upgrading a bunch of shit. Hopefully BMW finally gives us a motor without issues even at the mild tuning level. So many people are scared to death now of 600 torque, with this shit crank hub. GRRRRRR

[natedog7700]

Originally Posted by whatnotsomuchf80

I can't wait to check back on this forum when there are 900whp AWD G80's out there. The S58 is a highly tunable engine. GTRs need a full transmission upgrade when you reach certain levels and they're outdated. Also- plenty of ways to save weight on this platform- the weight numbers are w plenty of options

You know what else is a tunable engine? The S63 in the F90 M5.... thats also AWD lol and weighs around 4400lbs. Even if the M3 is as good as you claim, it still wont keep up with the M5. Just go buy a dam M5 at this point lol i think my main concern is the added weight of this generation, its so depressing!


Ohh and by the way the GTR taps out around 600 tq with stock internals and transission so they cost a pretty penny to get past that point, but who says the M3 will handle 900whp on stock trans/engine?

[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by natedog7700

You know what else is a tunable engine? The S63 in the F90 M5.... thats also AWD lol and weighs around 4400lbs. Even if the M3 is as good as you claim, it still wont keep up with the M5. Just go buy a dam M5 at this point lol i think my main concern is the added weight of this generation, its so depressing!


Ohh and by the way the GTR taps out around 600 tq with stock internals and transission so they cost a pretty penny to get past that point, but who says the M3 will handle 900whp on stock trans/engine?

I ran 650 Torque for about 2 months and nuked 4th gear I knew it was on the clock but always planned on building at some point. Depending on how you drive a GTR will also determine the tranny upgrade. If you are launching 10 times a week, you better over build for your power. I would assume the Beemers will be the same. If you track it hard and drag race often, it will break sooner or need to be built up a bit. I understand people feel good about the tranny now and maybe they should be. I need to see an AWD M car with 800-850 ft lbs launching and beat on before I can say it's going to be fine. If you are only doing some 60-130 pulls once in a blue, you may be just fine. Time will tell

[TTHURACAN]

650ft/lb torque w/upgraded turbos is like 850hp on stock GTR motor.... heard 600ft/lb is conservative 800hp pretty reliable

[whatnotsomuchf80]

Originally Posted by natedog7700

You know what else is a tunable engine? The S63 in the F90 M5.... thats also AWD lol and weighs around 4400lbs. Even if the M3 is as good as you claim, it still wont keep up with the M5. Just go buy a dam M5 at this point lol i think my main concern is the added weight of this generation, its so depressing!


Ohh and by the way the GTR taps out around 600 tq with stock internals and transission so they cost a pretty penny to get past that point, but who says the M3 will handle 900whp on stock trans/engine?

I just bought my wife an F90 M5 a few mos back and obviously plan on keeping it for a few years. You can't tune them past stage 2 without worrying about bending a rod. And no I will fully build the M3's internals before I go ham

[whatnotsomuchf80]

Originally Posted by SickGTR

I have a question. Are you expecting to run 800-900 lbs of torque on a factory G80 tranny? Not sure what saying the GTR needs an upgraded tranny has to do with anything? Also, you plan on running that power, you will be upgrading a bunch of shit. Hopefully BMW finally gives us a motor without issues even at the mild tuning level. So many people are scared to death now of 600 torque, with this shit crank hub. GRRRRRR

From what I've discussed w the best tuners in the M world, the S58 is looking pretty solid. Regardless, I plan on doing a full build w the internals the second I get my G80. Tranny should handle a lot of torque from what I understand. And yes I got my crank hub. What is ur ig? Ur GTR sounds nuts

[TTHURACAN]

Originally Posted by whatnotsomuchf80

I just bought my wife an F90 M5 a few mos back and obviously plan on keeping it for a few years. You can't tune them past stage 2 without worrying about bending a rod. And no I will fully build the M3's internals before I go ham

F90 smart choice... had an f10 m5 many years ago...

[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by whatnotsomuchf80

From what I've discussed w the best tuners in the M world, the S58 is looking pretty solid. Regardless, I plan on doing a full build w the internals the second I get my G80. Tranny should handle a lot of torque from what I understand. And yes I got my crank hub. What is ur ig? Ur GTR sounds nuts

Nice!! My kind of guy. Build it and GO! Just be careful the tranny doesn't break and cost you a bunch more bread. Sean Ivey told me it probably cost an extra 3 grand cause 4th gear went. I should have built it right away. I was impatient. LOL

[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by whatnotsomuchf80

From what I've discussed w the best tuners in the M world, the S58 is looking pretty solid. Regardless, I plan on doing a full build w the internals the second I get my G80. Tranny should handle a lot of torque from what I understand. And yes I got my crank hub. What is ur ig? Ur GTR sounds nuts

No social media for me brother. I had IG for a hot minute but got rid of it.

[TTHURACAN]

Originally Posted by SickGTR

Nice!! My kind of guy. Build it and GO! Just be careful the tranny doesn't break and cost you a bunch more bread. Sean Ivey told me it probably cost an extra 3 grand cause 4th gear went. I should have built it right away. I was impatient. LOL

Maybe you should have kept your modded GTR at 600ft/lbs(dynojet) like recommended on stock motor/tranny....

[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by TTHURACAN

Maybe you should have kept your modded GTR at 600ft/lbs(dynojet) like recommended on stock motor/tranny....

Looking back, you are right. I figured what's another 50 lbs:jellyroll
At that point in my life, I was just trying to get every little bit out of it. Shit happens=) Better the tranny then windowing the block I guess. Maybe I should have towed it to the dealer and see if they would have covered it under warranty? That was sarcasm

[TTHURACAN]

Originally Posted by SickGTR

Looking back, you are right. I figured what's another 50 lbs:jellyroll
At that point in my life, I was just trying to get every little bit out of it. Shit happens=) Better the tranny then windowing the block I guess. Maybe I should have towed it to the dealer and see if they would have covered it under warranty? That was sarcasm

In the end you have a built GTR; RESPECT....

[gemini.m3]

Honestly, I realized this car wasn't for me when I tried to justify it by "it's going to be so fast in a straight line" - I had an identity crisis for a second like when did I turn into a muscle car 1/4 mile fan boy? Then it hit me.

If you have to help justify the purchase despite all the drawback because of the 1/4 time, then I'd be mindful of the following.

You can't replace "soul" in a car by just straight line speed -- in doing so, you'll be so consumed by raw HP and straight speed that you're constantly going to be essentially driving at a speed limit that is an automatic 1 year + license suspension + other legal ramifications.

I'd prefer a car that just "feels" fun to drive - it's why so many people are still hooked on the s2k - and that's why I landed on my M2 CS.. I'd rather take that on the backroads being 500ish pounds lighter w/ 450 hp than any straight line 1/4 mile beast, but that's just my preference at this point in my life.

[bmwdrive]

I completely agree. Power is nice. But it doesn't equate to fun driving for me. On a day to day basis I'm not hammering the car at every stop light. But I can feel the handling, steering, suspension, etc. all the time. I don't like a completely gutless car but it also doesn't need to be ridiculous the other way.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Transfer

Car and Driver tested 2008 M3 at 12.6 through the 1/4 mile, 2015 M3 at 12.4, and 2020 X3M (~4500 lbs) at 11.6.

The G80 xDrive is going to mop the floor with F80.

A drag race is literally using one section of a real track. It's like the kiddie slopes at the ski resort. It's flat, short, featureless, you just kind of pizza and French fries your padded butt harmlessly to the end then stop and get on the little conveyer belt that takes you to the start of the bunny slope again. A race track is like the mountain the bunny slope is on. Yes, you go straight, but there's also turns and elevation changes, chicanes, double apexes, banked turns etc. And it's much much longer than a 1/4 mile and isn't over in 9-15 seconds.

Take Golf. There's the driving range and there's the Golf Course. The driving range is fun and it's great for practice, but it's just one aspect of golf.

But seriously I can appreciate the skill and passion put into drag racing. In the end, I'm for anything we do to enjoy these cars. I just don't want to assume that what I want out of a car is the same as everyone else and vice versa. If 1/4 miles are important to people, great, have fun. It's not important to me unless it does the dozens of other things I want a performance car to do. I don't need a one trick pony like a Dodge Demon. That's not in my wheelhouse.