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I've never seen a car get slower around a track with more power, ever. Even when you put the same pro rider on a 600cc and 1000cc bike, they almost always have better times on the 1000cc bike unless it's a super tight track and the weight advantage of the 600 matters more than power. You just have to learn how to modulate the throttle. It's not actually changing the balance of the car at all.
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Hello! Some guys are arguing in the void and either didn't read or understand the first post. The points are highlighted below to aid your understanding.
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not sure what the point of all that speed is when you
a) can't use it on the road without risking a misdemeanor and losing your license b) it provides very little emotion you get used to the speed, regardless of car -- when I first got into my f80 I thought it was the fastest thing in the world.. now, it barely gets a rise out of me.. so if people are purchasing this car simply because of 1/4 times.. i guess that needs to be all you care about. I'd rather a car that's fun to drive in the twisties, even if it has less HP.
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The usable powerband is an important concept...I know everyone on this forum has somehow driven a 900hp monster....but the reality is that the way power comes out of a 900hp turbocharged car is different than the way it comes out of an engineered factory 500hp BMW. I appreciate the fact that the engineers that build these cars nowadays develop them along with factory racing drivers on road courses and real world road applications. It's pretty impressive. To understand why the "powerband" characteristics matter, well...you just have to be someone that drives cars on track often enough to understand the difference. I would much rather lose weight rather than gain THAT much power. You have to understand that for someone like me, I meant it when I said I don't care if the car runs a sub 9 second 1/4 mile. Everyone is entitled to buy one and make it something different. If you think a 900hp M3 will drive/behave/put down power the same way as a factory M3 - it's just not the way it works. Like I said, a 900hp M3 will take on a much different character. |
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Unsorted suspension heavyweight with poor steering. The M3 should have been min 300lbs lighter. Everything worsens with weight. The car won't feel anything like previous gen I like the feel of a lighter more dialed in car even if I'm not tracking it and I lose a couple tenths in a quarter mile. That to me is more fun and out and out speed you get used to.
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there is not a single performance improvement gained by adding more weight. handling, braking, accelaration, cooling, endurance, consumables etc. are all negatively impacted. The feel of the car is completely diferent.
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Functional weight as larger engine, larger brakes, wider tires, bigger aero, cooling liquids etc. all can add to performance. |
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I feel like if people could afford a GT3, they would be buying that 90% of the time. Not a really good comparison. Unless you are looking at a 2010 ish year. They are AMAZING TO DRIVE and the sound is just orgasmic
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The M3 is a dual purpose car that can handle track duty which makes it a compromsie. The majority of these cars aren't being tracked despite having the capability of handling track duty for someone who's going there to have fun. Which means, the majority are used as regular commuters where the finer metrics are moot since you won't reach the limits of the car on the street.
The bit about quarter mile being irrelevant is ironic because if it is, then all the other metrics would be deemed moot. If some of you are as hard-core a tracker as you proclaim then why not buy a Lotus Exige/Evora? Why get a compromised M3 with leather, so-so electric steering, turbo charge motor and fancy electronics etc for track duty. That right there says you're just a hobbyist and chances even with a 3600 lb M3 you may fall short of beating someone in a G80 on the track. It's ok to not like the car but proclaiming it as being a deficient track car as if to imply you're a pro racer is comical. All cars are getting bigger and more tech laden, we either accept it or go buy one of the classics like the clown-shoe. Point is, if you are a serious track driver, then all modern M3's would not be ideal for that task. There are much better cars for that singular purpose. Except most of those cars are devoid of the luxuries one expects in their M3's. Therefore, one would be better off having two cars and therein lies the dilemma. No dual purpose car will excel in all areas because it's a compromise.
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How about reducing dead weight to compensate for the added "functional" weight ?
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Trap speed from 1/4 mile is telling of how much power is actually available as two cars with identical 1/4 mile times and different trap speeds means the car with the faster trap speed is the one that's going to put down more power in all situations outside of launch. It's matters whether you agree or not. 0-60 is a bragging rights measurement but 1/4 time and trap speed is telling of how much power the vehicle is packing.
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For me personally, the straightline thrust gets old fast, but the fast cornering never gets old. Going fast because of me puts a much bigger smile on my face than going fast because of my car.
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We all want a 1000kg car with 500+ hp V8 revving to 10000 rpm that has a 5 star crash rating, can carry 4 in comfort plus a dog, audiophile hifi, full leather, 10 piston brakes, 20 inch wheels, 300mm wide tires, oil cooler that can sustain a day of top rpm track driving, a quite cabin, parking cameras etc, etc. And cost no more than $70k... This time we get a lot more power, upgraded tech., more space and likely more grip but we pay the price in weight. No free lunch. The F8X had a price as well as a tiny hp gain and a smaller less soulful engine. |
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That's on paper only. When the F8X was launched, the modest power increase was my main gripe about the car. This until I got to learn about official power rating standards (SAE and DIN) and how it is not possible to directly compare power ratings between NA and Turbocharged engines. The fact that my 2015 M4 was ~12mph faster than my 2008 M3 on the back-straight of my local track tells me it put down much more power that the "official" 11hp suggests. So we had less weight PLUS a fair bit more of real world power with the F8X.
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The M5 is also bloody fast, but I enjoyed it less around the track than I did my M4 or the way slower 992C4 I also drove that day on track.
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