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Sub 3 sec 0-60 and 9's in 1/4 mile incoming
I see a lot of posts with people disheartened by the G80's weight, power, looks, etc. Many saying they'd rather get an M5 or even a GTR. For those of you with modded F80's out there, you know how easy it is to add massive power w downpipes and an E85 tune, let alone turbos and PI. For most, traction was the issue.
I personally think a highly modded *AWD* G80 should hit insane numbers as in high 2's on a 0-60 and 9's in the 1/4 mile. An M5 shouldn't go past stage 2 without worrying about rods, and GTRs need upgraded transmissions among other things. The new ZAF should be able to handle high torque loads, and no crank hub worries with the S58 engine. When the new AWD G80's come out w massive power gains it will be a massive straight line acceleration beast. For reference, please see new X3M gains on the S58. Who else thinks we will see such numbers? |
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Have zero interest in 1/4 miles. Don't care how much hp it has over 500 really to be honest.
I do care how well-rounded the car is as a versatile, streetable daily driver that is very capable on road-courses and posts a competitive nurburgring time. At some point in road racing, you need to balance power with what the chassis can handle aerodynamically and road-holding/traction at the physical limits....It doesn't make any logical sense to have a near 4000lb GT road car that does occasional road course track duty with 800hp that can't effectively put down power to the tarmac coming out of or going into turns, and can't road hold because it's too heavy at the limit. Adding more power to the tune of like 800-1000hp is just going to ruin the balance of the car. Are people really buying the M3 for drag racing or something? Last edited by Jacky Treehorn; 12-10-2020 at 02:36 PM.. |
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Same here, zero interest on heavily modded 1/4 mile times.
I am looking for a fully warrantied dual use car for the 4-season daily drive and weekend track hobby, which is what the M3(4) design intent has always been about.
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Yup, bring on the new M3s and M4s and every pound of metal with it ... here's what Throttle House said about BMWs Ms in general at minute 7:00, in particular 7:25
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The big weight more than the looks kinda ruins it for me. Awd will be north of 4000lbs and probably closer to 4100lbs
That defeats the purpose of what the M3/M4 are IMO. You have a M5 with less power basically
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I'm looking forward to 9 second M3's for sure. It's pretty incredible that a slightly modified 4 door family car will be able to beat basically anything on the street from a stop. With a turbo upgrade the S58 on an X3 M is around 800 awhp. Thats more than my M5 and they will be lighter by a good amount. I hit a 10.1 1/4 mile, 0-60 in 2.6. The M3/4 should be quite a bit faster even on the stock turbo. I think easily 9.8's with a tune.
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I think these cars will be more powerful than the M5 though. X3 M's are getting 800 awhp with a tune and turbo upgrade. M5's are limited to low 700's unless you want to spend 25k on an engine build, or bend your rods.
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From where did you get this info?
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The days of tuning are numbered anyway 1) the ECU's on new BMW's are locked 2) BMW now checks parameters and knows when you flash or have a piggy even if back to stock and love voiding warranties on tuned cars 3) The weight is a problem for me.....
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It’s strange how most performance enthusiasts these days just rave about quarter mile times and horsepower figures. I drove past a random mechanics shop the other day in my 991 GT3 (with loads of aftermarket aero that ultimately make it slower in a straight line, funny enough) when a dude screamed out “I’ll smoke you in the quarter mile in my Civic”, I politely grinned and said “that’s great!” But I don’t understand the obsession with horsepower and quarter mile times. More power is awesome, but it’s not the be all and all of things. I’m aware everyone owns their cars for different reasons, but horsepower numbers and quarter mile times ultimately boil down to how deep your wallet is, not how skilled you are at anything other than reacting to lights. Whatever makes you happy, I guess |
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what if I told you... the point of fast cars.... is to go fast? and also, if you love track cars get a GT3 or GT4
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This is an intellectually dishonest statement. There can not be a discussion of a performance vehicle without taking speed or acceleration into account or we would all be driving BRZ's or Mitata's. A competitive nurburgring time cannot be accomplished by a vehicle that does not perform well in the 1/4 therefore it matters to you. It's one thing to say you have zero interest in drag racing but another to say that 1/4 mile time doesn't matter because it absoultely factors in with we well-rounded performance car which is apparently important to you.
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It matters but is only part of the equation to a fast lap time. Finding cars with excellent chassis dynamics, that are quick and have some luxury features under 2 tons is getting harder to find. Specially in the sub 100k price point. That actually matters to some people.
It’s easier to be quick in quarter then a road course, and many AWD even RWD cars are absolute monsters in the 1/4 so noting new IMHO. To that point an M5 would destroy the G80, but the weight is ridiculous. These cars just keep getting larger and larger the AMG sedans look like SUVs. Last edited by irunalot; 12-11-2020 at 12:40 PM.. |
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I also come from a motorcycle background. The guys with lower powered bikes often times would be turning better laps than dudes with these insane liter bikes. The liter bike has more power, more straight line speed....but they couldn't even tap into that power or use it. We use to make fun of those guys because their tires would have a giant flat spot in the center because all they do it go fast in a straight line....some of us don't view that as well rounded and prefer to use the full extent of the motor as it was intended. |
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