[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Hegge

Can you comment more on the new grille on the next 2 series?

^^^This! Or will it have the same grill as this 2GC?

[adc]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Lexus does not really have much of a history especially when it is around 30 years old. BMW had that oversize grille in the thirties and as an example on the 1939 328. Sure the grille was a lot thinner but it was large enough to dominate the front of the car. Which is what's happens with the new 4 which you see with the concept.


It was pre-warned with the 328 Hommage and CSL Hommage concepts that radical change was being thought of. The rear lights that everyone thinks have been influenced by Lexus actually began to gestate with the BMW ConnectedDrive Concept.

But the ideas certainly were conceived in the eighties/nineties where an idea to use the headlights or indeed L shaped tail lights as just a shape in the metal, just a light bar, not a full unit are coming back.
A good example of this idea being used was on the E46 3er Compact where the front lights are not actually units but the actual double-halo headlights situated in the actual front of the car.

Everything you have seen is considered original because they pushed these ideas forward for forthcoming change. Remember the auto industry is actually real life time travel. You can look back to go forward.
The 4er when it launches next Summer may be all new to the market But it will be over two years old.

Sorry Scott, that’s just one way to look at it. Another way is that if you really want to be bold, you don’t look back for inspiration and instead carve a whole new future apart from everything else.

But let’s say that is not necessarily the BMW way, who have in general worn a more conservative suit than others.


Even though I like the prewar 328 as an elegant design for a sports car, the grille was done that way due to the form factor of the engine compartment in those years. It was vertical because it had nowhere to go horizontally, and all cars were like that.

And I wasn’t alive back then to know whether it was a controversial design for the time or not; I suspect it wasn’t considered “bold” at the time, just simply “beautiful”.

But I was alive in the 70’s, and to me the only shape evocative enough, the only one worth going back to, is the one with 4 headlights embedded into a large horizontal grille, with the two small nostrils in the middle - as seen on the CSL, 5 series, and later 6 series.
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OO==()()==OO forever

This could be the first time in my life when design has turned me away from buying a car, no matter how compelling from a mechanical or performance perspective. Then again, there is so much choice in the market in this price range these days...

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

^^^This! Or will it have the same grill as this 2GC?

The 2er Coupe and 2er Gran Coupe are designed to Offer their own individuality. Hence why 2er is still RWD.
The only carry-over design wise would be the rear glasshouse kink that is similar to the upcoming 4er.

An example is how Active Tourer has no resemblance to the actual 2er. And yes there will be a Central Kidney Grille maybe not as full as the 4er but it will be there.

Waiting for the denials to begin all over again.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The 2er Coupe and 2er Gran Coupe are designed to Offer their own individuality. Hence why 2er is still RWD.
The only carry-over design wise would be the rear glasshouse kink that is similar to the upcoming 4er.

An example is how Active Tourer has no resemblance to the actual 2er. And yes there will be a Central Kidney Grille maybe not as full as the 4er but it will be there.

Waiting for the denials to begin all over again.

Haha! Bring on the 2er grilles.

[bobloblaw]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The 2er Coupe and 2er Gran Coupe are designed to Offer their own individuality.

I wished this wasn't the case. I was hoping for the 2GC to just be a GC version of the coupe, a la 4er. Could have been a cool e46-esque car, but instead we got that FWD lookin dull as dishwater GC.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by bobloblaw

I wished this wasn't the case. I was hoping for the 2GC to just be a GC version of the coupe, a la 4er. Could have been a cool e46-esque car, but instead we got that FWD lookin dull as dishwater GC.

He calls it individuality, I call it cost cutting.

[Auto]

When is this thing going official?

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Auto

When is this thing going official?

Sometime between now and the end of 2020.

[Miko M]

Something new to watch

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Miko M

Something new to watch

The car looks so quick. Damn!

[seis-speed]

At 43 seconds

[solstice]

The suspension just looks incredible. It makes the ring looks smooth which is no easy feat... It certainly looks more than launch ready.

[schnell325]

Time to start letting go of my F80 I think ...

[bmrm396]

Originally Posted by solstice

The suspension just looks incredible. It makes the ring looks smooth which is no easy feat... It certainly looks more than launch ready.

ya, while I'm not a fan of the styling so far i will give it this - the thing looks planted, flat and solid as a rock in some of those clips. maybe they figure even if its ugly, if it drives like a rockstar people will ignore what it looks like haha

[Nativetexan]

Was that a LFA in the first 14-20 seconds of that spy video?

Mmmm...LFA

[solstice]

Originally Posted by bmrm396

ya, while I'm not a fan of the styling so far i will give it this - the thing looks planted, flat and solid as a rock in some of those clips. maybe they figure even if its ugly, if it drives like a rockstar people will ignore what it looks like haha

A GT-R (almost) with a quite, smooth driveline and 2 extra doors...should sell

[535i MSport]

Looks ok on this.

If they made this, I would sell my F80 and C63 to buy it.....

[solstice]

Originally Posted by 535i MSport

Looks ok on this.

If they made this, I would sell my F80 and C63 to buy it.....

Let’s hope the new M2 will look close to this. It’s small enough.

[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by bmrm396

ya, while I'm not a fan of the styling so far i will give it this - the thing looks planted, flat and solid as a rock in some of those clips. maybe they figure even if its ugly, if it drives like a rockstar people will ignore what it looks like haha

Ha! Manual on offer made me a buyer, big grilles or not....

[CanAutM3]

Just caught this video of more G80 testing.

Cool drift at the beginning , but also some bad understeer later on

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Just caught this video of more G80 testing.

Cool drift at the beginning , but also some bad understeer later on

Yep, that one seems to have been left out of the OP, but it did get posted in this thread a few days back:

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...postcount=1752

(No worries, its hard to keep up with all the activity)

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Just caught this video of more G80 testing.

Cool drift at the beginning , but also some bad understeer later on

It is just a big car. Disappointing.