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Maybe you’re just lucky? My wife got a new E90 in 2011 and it’s still proving to be a good car, which is why I felt somewhat comfortable getting my 5 a few years ago. HOWEVER, at 110k kms the AC in my 5 has just stopped working which is a new record low for me! I’ve never had an AC issue in a car so soon, so chock one up against BMW for that. Google suggests the condenser is a popular failure point on these cars, so I’ll look there first. AC compressor went on the E90 at ~170k kms, which I’m ok with. The compressor in my Corvette went at 160k kms which isn’t bad since the compressor is on 100% in that car as it’s never winter driven. The E90 suspension needs work just like any GM car does, only there’s twice as many parts to fail and the parts generally cost more. Oil pan gasket was leaking, that was an all-day job to fix. Random electrical gremlins from the driver’s footwell module. That was fun to figure out. I still think it’s a good car. I love our BMWs and so far would not hesitate to buy another, but I also wouldn’t hesitate to buy a Cadillac either. My buddy has an ATS with the NA 3.6 and it’s a fantastic car; ~330hp on 87 octane, and it actually sounds good - WAY better than any post E90 M3 I’ve heard. Yep, I just said that. I just re-read your post and realize I’m going on a bit of a rant, but I guess that’s directed at all the senseless anti-Caddy comments, not just your post. Why not choose to be positive, people? Look at where Cadillac was 20 years ago and now they’re being compared to BMW. Sure they’re not quite there, that’s for sure, but holy crap they’ve come a long way and they’re still cheaper than BMW by a good margin. Ok, rant off. |
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Meanwhile. Car and Driver has had these cars in their LT fleet: BMW E46 M3, bought used, finished the long term test without any issues BMW M3 E90: finished the long term test without any issues BMW M3 G80: finished the long term test without any issues Vette C7 at Lightning Lap 1: blew an engine Vette C7 #2: blew an engine Blackwing CT5: blew an engine |
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Again these cars are 1% of that volume, a rounding error. No one buys the m3 bc they think a 330 is a good car or etc. it means nothing. |
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Geez, tough crowd.
The 4BW is 410whp and the M3 in this trim is around what 480whp? The manual's 0-60 with launch control is around 4.4 to 4.5 seconds. Which seams about right for 400ish HP. What I'm really confused about is the comparisons that are being made. You have a car that costs $500 less than a RWD M340i with as close of a configuration that I can get. That comes stock with 6/4 piston brembo brakes, spec'd PS4 similar to the M3, magneride suspension with fully adjustable camber out to -2.5deg, a digital dash that provides more adjustable info than the ID8, whole set of drive mode options and traction management options similar to M3, a fantastic manual transmission, better brake/tire cooling management and better steering feel. Plus you get a free 2 day class with rooms at their Spring Mountain facility driving the same car you bought. So, you get all of this for $500 less than a RWD M340i and because it doesn't beat the M3 in a straight line, it sucks. Which costs $14,500 more, optioned the same way. I like the current M3 and will probably have an LCI after I'm done with this car, but this thread is woah. Last edited by strohw; 06-27-2023 at 02:10 PM.. |
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The OEMs themselves may not but you generally have individuals within the brand that post those numbers on their respective forums. You can get monthly break down for 4 and 5 Blackwings on their forum thanks to diligent people. Which has happened for other brands/models/trims that I've seen on other forums as well.
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Once you drive any alpha chassis GM such as a Blackwing 4 or 5, Camaro SS or ZL1 and experience the manual transmission with the superb suspension and handing capabilities, you will realize why these cars get universal praise. They are just better at delivering the "ultimate" driving experience than any of their German competitors, regardless of the fit and finish, looks or losing a drag race. Of course one has to be happy with the quality of the car and its looks, etc before purchasing one, but to trash a car because it's a Cadillac and not a German car is just ridiculous. To those who keep dismissing the Blackwing, go and drive one.
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The Alfa is no grippier or more nimble than a G80. They just pumped up the steering speed a lot to give you the feeling of more agility. Guarantee that a slightly smaller diameter steering wheel + shorter ratio on the G80 would probably transform the steering of the M3. |
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I believe that GM should absolutely be commended for creating capable vehicles. Competition drives innovation and vice versa. We need Caddy's V division to be good in order for the M division to get better.
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By getting an allocation, people have got bare bones 4BW 6MT for low 60s (excluding tax) which is a great value for the money. |
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Still, once set in a corner the balance of the chassis speaks louder than the steering ratio, in my opinion. |
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I think it should also be noted that GM rates their engines to the SAE standard, the first one being the LS7 in the 2006 C6 ZO6 at 505 hp. As neat as it is to see the German brands underrating their engines, I prefer an honest and consistent approach. |
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Doing a quick search I don’t see anything lower than 70k . Even one with 50k miles is selling for 60k.
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