[OneTwo3]

Originally Posted by Cloudplay

Love my wife's X5 45e, but absolutely don't want an M5-like hybrid powertrain in the next M3. Maybe something like in the new Carrera GTS, but even that I could do without.

BMW has already given us insight to next gen M3. We’ll get 2 version. One fully electric and one with an improved model of the S58.
Personally, I hope the ICE model gets a mild hybrid system like the new Carerra GTS. They would be able to keep the same reliability we get now out of the S58 but with added HP from the mild hybrid system. The car would be insanely quick and the engine just as reliable. So excited for the next gen M3.

[ToysArs]

Originally Posted by OneTwo3

BMW has already given us insight to next gen M3. We’ll get 2 version. One fully electric and one with an improved model of the S58.
Personally, I hope the ICE model gets a mild hybrid system like the new Carerra GTS. They would be able to keep the same reliability we get now out of the S58 but with added HP from the mild hybrid system. The car would be insanely quick and the engine just as reliable. So excited for the next gen M3.

Genuinely curious, why would anyone want a hybrid system, even in mild form? You will certainly have a weight penalty. These S58 cars can reliably boost for more without any hybrid trickery as shown by CSL and CS.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by ToysArs

Genuinely curious, why would anyone want a hybrid system, even in mild form? You will certainly have a weight penalty. These S58 cars can reliably boost for more without any hybrid trickery as shown by CSL and CS.

The impressions of the 992.2 Carrera GTS with the T hybrid system of electric motor to spin the turbo and electric motor in the transmission to add power have been pretty glowing. There is weight gain but relatively minor compared to m5 hybrid and the impressions seem to be it's like the last Carrera GTS with a turbo flat 6 but no turbo lag, instant, power, feels much faster than the last one. Just based off impressions it seems more like a performance increase based on f1 tech than anything related to emissions or efficientcy.

I suspect the M3 won't get anything like that, and it will be similar to the m5 and gain like 800 pounds.

[OneTwo3]

Originally Posted by akkando

The impressions of the 992.2 Carrera GTS with the T hybrid system of electric motor to spin the turbo and electric motor in the transmission to add power have been pretty glowing. There is weight gain but relatively minor compared to m5 hybrid and the impressions seem to be it's like the last Carrera GTS with a turbo flat 6 but no turbo lag, instant, power, feels much faster than the last one. Just based off impressions it seems more like a performance increase based on f1 tech than anything related to emissions or efficientcy.

I suspect the M3 won't get anything like that, and it will be similar to the m5 and gain like 800 pounds.

The Hybrid model will gain the weight. In hoping the ICE model will be similar to the Porsche.

[Vmaxx]

Originally Posted by akkando

The impressions of the 992.2 Carrera GTS with the T hybrid system of electric motor to spin the turbo and electric motor in the transmission to add power have been pretty glowing. There is weight gain but relatively minor compared to m5 hybrid and the impressions seem to be it's like the last Carrera GTS with a turbo flat 6 but no turbo lag, instant, power, feels much faster than the last one. Just based off impressions it seems more like a performance increase based on f1 tech than anything related to emissions or efficientcy.

I suspect the M3 won't get anything like that, and it will be similar to the m5 and gain like 800 pounds.

No, the M5 is a PHEV and it’s already been confirmed the M3 will be a mild-hybrid. Expect this to be closer to what’s already in the M340i setup with some minor tweaks.

[kgelfen360]

Originally Posted by Vmaxx

No, the M5 is a PHEV and it’s already been confirmed the M3 will be a mild-hybrid. Expect this to be closer to what’s already in the M340i setup with some minor tweaks.

Yea I think they were talking about different versions. One mild hybrid and one EV

[Vmaxx]

Originally Posted by kgelfen360

Yea I think they were talking about different versions. One mild hybrid and one EV

Even the EV will be noticeably lighter than the M5. The M5 is a pig because it has the both v8 and the batteries. The M3 EV will be at least 500lbs lighter than the G90 M5.

[kgelfen360]

Originally Posted by Vmaxx

Even the EV will be noticeably lighter than the M5. The M5 is a pig because it has the both v8 and the batteries. The M3 EV will be at least 500lbs lighter than the G90 M5.

Yea and likely battery improvements as well by then.