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      12-05-2021, 07:33 AM   #32
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Only 2 4 door sedans of any kind have been faster around the Nurburgring according to Motor Trend. Not sure if the other two were unmodified like the Tesla.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesl...elon-musk/amp/

In modified form it is even more impressive



Anyway, all that matters is what the owner thinks of the experience. In this case we have the OP that owns an M8 and a 911. Probably would know of it has bad brakes etc.
Flat out wrong. I just picked one, the Alfa, and immediately found an official video from Alfa Romeo documenting the lap at 7:32 (Tesla did 7:35):



Tesla is such a showman. He posts two times on his Twitter (7:30 and 7:35) with absolutely no explanation. Many articles (including that one you posted which had to include a correction at the top) thought the 7:30 was the lap record because you know, lower number, but turns out the 7:30 was not a full lap (it eliminates a section of the track so is shorter). Another article analyzing this more dispassionately:

https://www.bridgetogantry.com/is-te...rd-legitimate/

I quote from that article:

"OBSERVATION 3: 7m35s on a Nordschleife that is unarguably faster than ever before isn't particularly amazing for a 1000-hp car. It's just ahead of the 2.0-litre hatchbacks and 2-ton SUVs, but significantly behind the 600hp 4-door saloons and a country-mile behind the 'proper' sportscars."

Stock cars that are only 600HP ish (like the Alfa) easily beat the Tesla for half the price.

Again, the Tesla is amazingly fast in a straight line if you want to stop once, but it's a party trick. I almost put a deposit down for the Tesla Roadster hoping it would be a real performance car but knew he would never deliver it on time (he hasn't). Speaking of which, when the plaid set that time, Elon promised a track mode within a few weeks. And of course that was nearly 3 months ago and he has again failed to deliver on time.

He also suggested that tuners make it better (like adding carbon ceramics and aero) to make it actually fast on the 'Ring - classic Elon Musk.

Thanks!

S.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...eife_lap_times

The Alfa is indeed impressive. Not only is is ahead of the Tesla Plaid, but it is also ahead of the M5 Competition. The Plaid is ahead of the M5 as well.

With new ceramic brakes and the upcoming track mode on the Plaid, I am assuming it would get even faster. Plus you can add more track ready tires in there.
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