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      02-24-2021, 01:58 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan View Post
...It has been that way since AT LEAST the F8X.


.....at least if you listen to Bimmerpost and auto journalists.
Well, I'm not an auto journalist but I have owned E46, E92, and F80. The comparable factors that, for me, illustrate changes in "isolation"/"rawness" are engine characteristics, suspension compliance, steering, exhaust note, and handling limits.

Considering the above, the E92 M3 feels much more refined and daily driveable versus E46. Daily driving an E92 M3 requires less commitment versus E46. In terms of engagement, the S65 is really what distinguishes the E92.

The F80 with adaptive suspension and 18" wheels is even more compliant than E92. I think much of the so-called isolation issue with the F80 is the relatively compliant ride (especially w/ adaptive and say 18" wheels), the mute steering feedback (though the steering is fairly precise), the high, drama free, handling limits at sane speeds on public roads with nannies on, the abundant torque (you don't need to wring it out), and the uninspiring engine note. The car can feel isolated at modest speeds because its limits are very high. For me, personally, the F80 is a very livable daily with tons of capability when you want to push it....and it won't feel isolated at all if you push it without knowing what they hell you are doing.

I suspect the G80 will be even more refined and capable, which means it will need to be pushed even harder to "wake it up". And the bigger size makes you less inclined to play.

Last edited by scoale; 02-25-2021 at 12:43 AM..
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