[Limegrntaln]

You're probably not going to get too far, complaining about the grill, thats been beaten into the ground, buried, resurrected, burned at the stake, shredded, and then used as fertilizer.

We've heard it, already, a million times. If you haven't seen one in person, it's a completely different look. If you still don't like it, it doesn't matter, because that's what the G8X forum is for, the people that love it.

Who knows why BMW went away from the hardtop. My theory is, the G83 only comes in the Competition xDrive version. The hardtop coupe, and sedan, weigh, 3,930 pounds, already. The G83 weights 4,232 pounds. The G83 weighs 374 pounds more than the F83. So, do you know without absolute doubt that "noticeably, cut costs" to go with a soft top?

$20k over sticker: You're not really looking for a car, for yourself, or you'd know if you look around, enough, you can order one at MSRP. I did, and many people I know, have also ordered at MSRP. Is $20k over sticker justified? Never. However, how bad do you want the car? In your case, you don't. But my dealer has 17 people on the M4 waiting list, to include convertibles, and 21 people on the M3 waiting list.