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Originally Posted by av.7447
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Originally Posted by NathObeaN
While I appreciate what you're saying I respectfully disagree. We shouldn't be giving a free pass to car manufactures for implementing a manual RWD car when the rest of the car is fundamentally poor. The other aspects you mentioned should still not get a pass. If Porsche can do it, so can BMW.
This is the result of poor design (and marketing) that hasn't been challenged internally. Refusing to challenge it externally because we all want the continued existence of manual/RWD cars only exasperates the problem further. BMW need to know they have screwed up and could have done a better job. It's our only hope to ensure they don't do it again.
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It’s interesting you are mentioning Porsche as they have the most boring and dull design and it hasn’t changed since the 70s... the reason is because most of their customers are older folks who would never accept change and since their customer service is too poor to attract new and younger generations hence their design is exactly the same, old and boring! At least BMW has the balls to do something different regardless of people’s crying, wining and moaning. What they did with the G80 is a masterpiece regardless of whether people like it or not and 99.9% of you would not be able to do anything even remotly close to what BMW has done! I also don’t understand why people that are upset by the grill or some line they don’t agree with on a body keep coming back to this form to state their opinion which we heard many times already... We heard you, we don’t care, move on, go buy a Porsche, Kia, Lada, Chery whatever design you are more happy with.... |
Come on man... it doesn't take 'balls' to make a wacky and controversial design. It does however take skill to create a car that is faster, lighter, handles better, while still looking good. Aka, Porsche. Change for change sake isn't always good. Yes, sticking with the same design forevermore amen is boring, I hear you, but doing something outrageous and 'different' isn't exactly difficult either.
Look at manufactures that come out with 'outrageous' designs but are somehow beautiful - Aston Martin, Ferrari, Lotus, McLaren etc. They've all recently released cars that are drastically different than previous generations but are still beautiful. BMW have seemingly said "how big can we make the grille?" with no care for the eye.
Their launch video sums their thought process up perfectly - psychotic, lacking direction, senseless and loud.
Additionally, I would state that you cannot simply shut people down who have an opinion which isn't "OMG it's fantastic!" - no. I am a BMW fan. I've always loved the M lineup. I have a right, as do many others on this forum to voice our opinion and displeasure in hope BMW will actually listen and not ruin an icon.
Also note that I'm not simply stating the design is poor. You could put that down to person opinion. It's not just about being 'bold' as you put it. It's about engineering mastery and meaningful innovation. A perfect example - the car is noticeably heavier than previous gen. Why? When so many lightweight materials are available these days and manufactures are finding ingenious ways to improve in this area? There are many engineering changes that have been made to this car that simply beg to be questioned. Could I build a better car? Of course not. I'm not a designer or an engineer. Doesn't mean I'm incapable of comparatively assessing the market and seeing good/bad design.