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Originally Posted by CanAutM3
The Competition package for the F8X was launched in January 2016, ~1.5 years after the the F8X hit the market and well over a year before the 991.2 hit the market. Get you facts straight. |
First, you were claiming that the 991.2 was released 3 years after the F8X, but I have compared the M4 Competition with the 991.2, now the relevant difference is 1 year and I'm the one that needs to get my facts strait. So which one is it, 3 or 1 year
I don't care much about remembering the dates (i hardly remember when I was born) so I have used this as a source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M4#M4_Competition
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On 25 September 2013, BMW released the technical specifications of the M4.
During February 2016, BMW announced the M4 Competition."
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-ne...-ar171137.html
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It’s been four years since its introduction at the 2011 Frankfurt Motor Show, and the 2012 Porsche 911 (991) has just received it mid-cycle.
by Ciprian Florea, on September 9, 2015, 08:00"
Even if we go by your data, this "1 year difference" excuse is irrelevant because the M4 Competition was and upgrade to the base car, the same as 991,2 was to Carrera!
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AM&S Supertest 'ring times:- 7:48 2010 M3 GTS
- 7:40 2010 911 GT3
- 7:37 2016 M4 GTS
- 7:32 2016 911 GT3
- 7:18 2017 911 GT3
Base vs GTS:- E92 8:05 --> 7:48 = 17 seconds faster
- F82 7:52 --> 7:37 = 15 seconds faster
Again, get your facts straight. The M4GTS is not the superstar you make it to be.
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My main point was more about the generational leap and not so much a difference within the model range (
though I had mixed up in my memory the time for the E92 M3 GTS around Nordschleife, so the claim I made that the GTS was marginally faster than the base car was wrong):
E46 M3CSL 7:50 - E92 M3 GTS 7:49 / 1 sec. difference
E92 M3 GTS 7:49 - F82 M4 GTS 7:37 / 12 sec. difference
I have never said the M4 GTS was a superstar (that title goes to CSL),
I have stated that the M4 GTS set the bar much higher in comparison to the E92 GTS, and that the car was on most tracks closer in performance to the Porsche GT3 than the E92 GTS was in its time.
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The F82C on street tires was faster than the E92GTS was on track tires. The G8X needs PSC2 to beat the F82GTS by a few tenths; on street tires it is slower. Good progress, but nothing extra-ordinary.
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If we take in to account that the E92 GTS was only 1 sec. faster on the ring compared to the E46 CSL, it would be disastrous if F82C was not faster than that, specially if we take in to account the massive advantage the new turbo motors had compared to naturally aspirated (luxury G8X don't have)!
Good progress, but nothing extra-ordinary
That is the reason I have compared the new G82 and F82 to its rivals like Carrera S, and judging by that gap, G82 looks like a very capable car to me!
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15% is marginal in terms of chassis rigidity improvement and IMO, in mostly stems from the wider and taller body of the G8X. Look up torsional stiffness. And like I said, do the math: if the base car is 25% stiffer and the ///M is only 15% stiffer it cannot have "more effective stiffening".
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That could also mean that the base car is very stiff as it is, and that there was not so much room for additional improvement (I don't know about the details because I didn't go trough the technical specification for both cars). Any way, every % in any area counts when you are trying to improve performance, otherwise they wouldn't bother to do it.
The G8X is stiffer than F8X no matter how you turn it around, get over it!