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Originally Posted by ynguldyn
This is FUD that's been disproven time and time again. An EV breaks even in full lifecycle emissions somewhere around its third year of use IIRC.
Wrong again. Even with carbon based power generation, the efficiency of the full chain, from burning oil or coal to turning a car's wheels, is 80% or higher. The most efficient internal combustion engines are struggling to get over 40% (and those are the engines that no one here on the ICE side of the argument will want to have in their cars). However, in reality only 60% of the US power generation is carbon based. The remaining 40% are equally split between nuclear and renewables. Add the fact that most EVs require less energy to move them than comparable ICE vehicles, and you get, at worst, 1/4 of CO2 emissions per mile for EV vs ICE.
How do you then explain the fact that every year wind takes over ~1% of total US power generation capacity, and solar takes over another .3%, all at the expense of traditional sources, because total consumption has remained constant since 2005?
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Sorry, but you are not fair as you present only a side of the story.
- EV produces twice the pollution just by being manufactured and needs few decades to run FREE OF TROUBLE to prove enironmentaly firendly.
- efficiency is one thing, pollution is another. The mining sites that provide the lithium are a trauma to this planet. Scars that can never be hidden. In top of that, the hundreds of ha of lakes of acid that are being lifted by evaporation and carried over agricultural sites destroying the plants, the soil and the food and carrying toxines in innocent bodies is not mentioned by you.
- the un-ethical mining of some metals on the back of some poor children or poor people that are desperate for a meal, just to give you an electric vehicle is also not mentioned in your post either.
- the socio-political impact and the shift of power in the world, (I believe that China owns now almost every lithium site in Africa and Southa America) and the influence of that is not mentioned either.
- the lack of infrastructure for these vehicles and the process that will recycle those batteries and other elements is not mentioned either.
- the toxicity that these batteries provide is not mentioned either. (One AA batterie will damage a square meter of land for one hundred years).
- the impact of those batteries on the enviroenment is not mentioned, either that the process of recycling them actually involves some evaporation with extremely dangerous fumes for the atmosphere.
- the fact that batteries actually need to breath is not mentioned either. Very few know that hybrid and electric batteries need to breath and that there are some harmful fumes related to this process, and that reflects on the health of the owner. They don’t know.
- the fact that actualy someone can see every move you do, download a new software in your car, spy on you, stop your trip or make you dependent on an electric station is not mentioned either. Control baby, control.
- the fact that if in a neighbourhood everyone will have a Tesla, the grid will be unable to cope with that situation and will colapse is not mentioned either.
- the fact that batteries are at half power when cold or less when super cold is not taken in consideration. That is exactly when you need lights on, heat on, radio on, etc…
- most important, the fact that you are controlled, guided and forced to follow only routes with electric grid is not mentioned either.
YOUR OWN FREEDOM IS AT RISK AND YOU GIVE IT UP FREELY. You actually even pay over 100k of your hard working money to give it away…!
A hydrogen car, salt water car can be a future.
I actually believe that a super clean diesel (done by BMW, Mercedes and Siemens I believe) is a very good vehicle.
It gives you freedom, it has tremendous torque, you get a lot of energy from a tank. My family runs in Europe some diesel cars and one of them takes 3 litres (long trips even under that) for every 100 km (or around 70-80 mpg).