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Originally Posted by PeregrineFalcon
Exactly, and I have presented the data for the F82 Competition that came about three years after the base model, so the comparison is very valid.
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Competition package for the F8X was launched in January 2016, ~1.5 years after the the F8X hit the market and well over a year before the 991.2 hit the market. Get you facts straight.
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Originally Posted by PeregrineFalcon
Of course it is a generational leap, but the point was that the difference between, for example E46 M3 CSL and E92 M3 GTS is nowhere near as big as the difference between E92 M3 GTS and F82 GTS.
In its time, CSL was even faster than Porsche GT3 on some tracks, and M4 GTS was very close to GT3.
Despite the fact that all versions of the BMW had the semi slicks, the E92 GTS in its time was nowhere near the GT3 if I remeber corectly?
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AM&S Supertest 'ring times:
- 7:48 2010 M3 GTS
- 7:40 2010 911 GT3
- 7:37 2016 M4 GTS
- 7:32 2016 911 GT3
- 7:18 2017 911 GT3
Base vs GTS:
- E92 8:05 --> 7:48 = 17 seconds faster
- F82 7:52 --> 7:37 = 15 seconds faster
Again, get your facts straight. The M4GTS is not the superstar you make it to be.
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Originally Posted by PeregrineFalcon
Now we have the G82 that is faster than the F82 GTS and even just in Competition form (no AWD, no CS/CSL) very competitive to P cars such as Carrera S. Latest M4CS was slower than Carrera S on this track, and the new CS will most porobably be faster.
I would call that a very good progress!
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The F82C on street tires was faster than the E92GTS was on track tires. The G8X needs PSC2 to beat the F82GTS by a few tenths; on street tires it is slower. Good progress, but nothing extra-ordinary.
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Originally Posted by PeregrineFalcon
You have said that there is no indication that the G8X has superior bracing over the F8X, and that chassis improvements stem from the wider track and latest gen suspension tech, and if the G8x has 15% stiffer chassis than the F8X, how does that translate in to not having improvements in that field, and how that doesn't increase the overall performance of the vehicle?
Because that is the point I was making.
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15% is marginal in terms of chassis rigidity improvement and IMO, in mostly stems from the wider and taller body of the G8X. Look up torsional stiffness. And like I said, do the math: if the base car is 25% stiffer and the ///M is only 15% stiffer it cannot have "more effective stiffening".